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Trump expects Russia to return Crimea to Ukraine: White House
World News ^ | 14 Fevb 17 | Erik Walsh

Posted on 02/14/2017 11:01:04 AM PST by elhombrelibre

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To: elhombrelibre

Could be they don’t care which repressive regime they are under. My guess is that most of the Citizens of the Crimea are ambivalent.


41 posted on 02/14/2017 12:09:12 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: PGR88

China acquired Hong Kong through peaceful negotiations with the UK. No comparison.


42 posted on 02/14/2017 12:17:41 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Putin cannot get along with any of his neighbors, including Belarus.

http://www.russia-direct.org/opinion/what-are-implications-belaruss-conflict-russia

43 posted on 02/14/2017 12:18:52 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Putin cannot get along with any of his neighbors, including Belarus.

http://www.russia-direct.org/opinion/what-are-implications-belaruss-conflict-russia

44 posted on 02/14/2017 12:18:54 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Putin probably agreed as soon as Ukraine return it’s former legally elected president to office.


45 posted on 02/14/2017 12:23:31 PM PST by McGruff (Drain The Swamp)
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To: McGruff

Except they had another election since then and a pro-putin candidate did not win, nor could one. Putin supporters are like the old Marxists true believers. The Marxists true believers only existed at Western Universities. The pro-Putin supporters exist mostly on the web.


46 posted on 02/14/2017 12:25:45 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre
One real worry: Russia tries to press the US on three fronts simulatenously:

a) Iran in the ME tries some gambit;
b) Russia moves on Ukraine and/or Baltics;
c) China and/or NK provoke something in East Asia.

In this scenario, he might think the US interest might be in cutting a deal with Russia to re-establish some 'sphere of influence' over Eastern Europe while confronting China/NK.

I would suggest strongly upping US forces in Europe and getting the Poles prepared to seize Kaliningrad as a prelude to some hard negotiating.

Trump could also jujitsu his political opponents here by saying, "I see know that Russia is really a threat-- give me the money and authorization to vastly increase our military manpower and station more troops in Europe." He wants the military expansion anyway. It would be hilarious to watch the media and Dems squirm over his new found acknowledgment of the "Russia Threat." Meanwhile he keeps the com channel open to Putin so he understands this is mainly a domestic political show, but with the implied risk that it isn't.

47 posted on 02/14/2017 12:33:11 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: P-Marlowe

The Tatars certainly aren’t.


48 posted on 02/14/2017 12:35:31 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: bjcoop
People keep saying he’s soft and a Russian syncophant, but I sincerely believe he’s playing Chess with Putin while Obama played checkers.

You're right.

People on the left say that Trump will be soft on Putin. And we have people here who think that Trump should like and does like Putin.

Both opinions I think are wrong. Trump will be appropriately tough on Putin.

49 posted on 02/14/2017 12:38:22 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: pierrem15

Trump is going to increase the military anyway, and so are all of the NATO allies. They already are. Putin’s greatly alarmed even the neutral nations Europe. The collective wealth and potential power of all these nations is formidable, regardless of what people may think about the shirtless Putin he would not want to wage war on all of Europe.


50 posted on 02/14/2017 12:39:55 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: FreeReign

This is probably step one. Restore the status quo. Give Putin a face saving exit ramp. Don’t humiliate him. He can claim he’ll be back if the people there are mistreated. Or things could get worse for Putin’s attempts to rebuild the empire on the cheap. Wars are easy to start and harder to stop. Putin hasn’t won in Donbass despite using regular forces.


51 posted on 02/14/2017 12:43:01 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre

That’ll be “Korea” to all you Mad Maxine Waters constituents out there.


52 posted on 02/14/2017 12:44:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (As long as tyranny exists, the Constitution and Bill of Right will never be "outdated" or "obsolete")
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To: elhombrelibre
...and return Crimea

Ain't gonna happen

53 posted on 02/14/2017 12:45:25 PM PST by gdani
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To: elhombrelibre

Uh.....this isn’t going anywhere. DPR isn’t budging. For anyone.

Not that I side with then in any way, I’m just saying. Understand these people’s motivation and witness who it is that is the aggressor on the battlefield. They have ZERO fear of Ukrainian forces.


54 posted on 02/14/2017 12:46:49 PM PST by The Toll
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To: gdani

You have more respect for Putin than Trump then.


55 posted on 02/14/2017 12:47:17 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: The Toll

Yet with all that Russian aid they are not winning.


56 posted on 02/14/2017 12:48:19 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: The Toll

And who keeps killing their warlords, the FSB?


57 posted on 02/14/2017 12:48:51 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre
You have more respect for Putin than Trump then.

Nope - unlike Putin's years-old fan club here, I know he's a murderous, fully corrupt, dictator thug. Trump, on the other hand, is just plain fooling himself on this one.

58 posted on 02/14/2017 12:51:00 PM PST by gdani
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To: elhombrelibre

They have won.


59 posted on 02/14/2017 12:51:06 PM PST by The Toll
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To: elhombrelibre

Pretty sure that’s going to turn out to be the Russians, but like lots of things the Russians do, the info never gets turned out.


60 posted on 02/14/2017 12:52:12 PM PST by The Toll
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