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N. Korea: Power Struggles Continue as Kim Jong-un Ousts Spy Chief
Chosun Ilbo ^ | February 06, 2017 | Kim Myong-song

Posted on 02/09/2017 5:49:28 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: ronnie raygun

He was demoted from a four-star to a one-star general. .................................. On the bright side, it may mean he has to take off some medals from his uniform, thus it will be lighter to wear. NK always reminds me of the twilight zone episode with Bully Mummy and the corn field. (Kim = Mummy.)


21 posted on 02/09/2017 9:17:17 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (???? My tag line dissappeared. ???)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Sorry, Charlie - you’re not allowed to hold high office in Kim’s North Korea unless you’ve been certified mentally disabled by a panel of bona fide psychiatrists.


22 posted on 02/10/2017 3:34:01 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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Tiger - here’s what I don’t understand: how can North Korea have such horrible leaders? It’s not like the people are low IQ losers...trapped in cultures they’re too stupid to overcome. That’s not the issue.

These folks are blood related of the people in South Korea, right?

Do Koreans have a unusually strong ‘respect’ for authority figures? Some cultural kink that allowed good people to allow corrupt totalitarian systems to continue for decades?


23 posted on 02/10/2017 8:01:49 AM PST by GOPJ (Democrats appoint activist 'judges' to legislate from the bench. WE NEED TO DO THE SAME.)
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a unusually strong ‘respect’ for authority figures

Maybe more so than Americans, but less than Japanese and Chinese. Certainly S. Koreans are now far different from N. Koreans.

So-called experts advanced some theories on this issue. One of them is that N. Koreans had never been exposed to idea of freedom or democracy. For centuries, they lived under royal kingdom which venerated its king(but not to the same degree as Kim family gets.) It is followed by Japanese rule. Japanese emperor was a god-king and remained so until 1945. So they were exposed to stronger personality cult. Then came the rule of Stalinist country. After Stalin's death, N. Korea deliberately started to insulate herself from the rest of the world, including the fellow communist countries, in order to block the inflow of 'liberalizing' idea. Khrushchev's de-Stalinization was bad enough.

Along with it, there is an extensive system to suppress dissent. On top of typical totalitarian system of everybody spying on everybody else, they implemented a group punishment. If somebody commits a political crime, it is not just him who is punished. All of his extended family members are sent to prison camp for life where they will have slow painful death.

Communists in Korea exploited the fact that Koreans have unusually strong bond among family members. This was used to recruit more members. One family member became a communist, then it is easy to pull his family members in. They tend to band together to protect their own, so when the authorities look for him, family members hide or help him, easily making them accomplices. This can be used for the purpose of punishment. N. Koreans also have strong family bond. So the fear of family members being punished is a severe deterrent. Without it, they would have been more willing to rise up.

In addition, it has extreme indoctrination process from birth. As soon as children can walk and talk, they are drilled with the idea that Kim families are divine figures who can make miracles and solely responsible for their existence. People are systematically rewarded with their loyalty to the state. Here, family factors also come into play. It is not enough that you are loyal. Your extended family has to be ideologically clean going back to previous generations. If a distant uncle or grand uncle did something wrong or are from questionable background, there will be a limit to your advancement. At the least, you will be passed over in favor of somebody from loyal class background. On the flip side, if you are from loyal class background, you can rise to the position way beyond your capability.

They preemptively eliminate any source of potential dissent. N. Korea is a strictly feudal class society vastly strengthened by totalitarian apparatus, which especially exploits family bond to eradicate dissent and reward loyalty. Finally, N. Korean regime is willing to sacrifice everything else to preserve itself.

N. Korea was not like this initially. There were protests and riots against Soviet-installed Kim regime. Some people say that, when Korean War broke out, there was some demographic shuffling. Everybody who hates N. Korea fled to the South and vice versa. After the War, two Koreas became more homogeneous politically, as the argument goes. It may have been another factor.

There is another thing which can be taken into account. Koreans have a tendency to embrace a cultish group, short on doctrine and long on blind devotion and personality cult. You can see it among religious groups in S. Korea, mainstream or fringe. It is a little different than affinity to authority figure, but can make people more committed. Maybe it is another manifestation of strong personal family bond.

24 posted on 02/10/2017 7:52:27 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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Observers here linked his absence with North Korea's possible preparations for the test of an ICBM.

The birthday of Kim Jong-il is on 16 February, so the launch might be 15 or 16 FEB.
25 posted on 02/11/2017 9:04:27 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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Your comments Tiger helped explain the stories some years back about North Korean grandfathers allowing themselves to starve to death so their grandchildren could eat. It also helps explain the heroic Korean Grocery Store Watts Riot stand.

It's sad when that which is most noble and heroic is used by totalitarians to keep the boot grinding away on the faces of innocents. Thanks for taking the time to explain... The incentives to keep the system going are strong. Do you see any way to switch some of those incentives? Is there a way out?

26 posted on 02/11/2017 12:09:55 PM PST by GOPJ (Democrats appoint activist 'judges' to legislate from the bench. WE NEED TO DO THE SAME.)
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