[silverleaf]

That does account for the personal animus of obama toward Putin
Putin always seemed to make obama feel inferior and insecure and perhaps obama’s sexuality had something to do with that

But this is about red lines and who draws them where and who has the “ right” to do so and to defend them

Does Russia have the “ right” to draw red lines against the expansion of US interests into Ukraine and SYRIA? US Interests and rec lines that by coincidence accompany the existence of huge natural resources coveted for development by our corporations or by our allies aka financial benefactors - who heavily buy our politicians

U.S. interests are always couched in high moral terms such as supporting “ democracy” .. To gain popular support among Americans and our socialist friends up in Europe- but this moral claim .is becoming pretty cynical when we nurture groups like ISIS and the muslim brotherhood and tell the people being enslaved tortured and killed we are supporting democracy and when McCain and others stand on a stage or sit in conferences in Ukraine next to neo-Nazis looking to becoming part of the EU’s harem of failed states ... ... Or when Libya is bombed by NATO back to the 7 the century and the carcass of that nation is left to the barbarians to pick over while the Europeans and Chinese keep the oil fields pumping

The US has been ceding the moral high ground of its interventionist strategies for many years - certainly expedited the erosion under obama and other interventionists of both parties

Let's just get frank and admit we are in a global competition for natural resources and political influence thus stability to assure economic order and growth - nothing wrong with that - unless the means to pursue it are wasted resources spent on weapons of mass destruction, genocidal war and fomented chaos cloaked as a quest to spread democracy

[greeneyes]

For all of my life, “American Interests” has not been limited to National Security. In fact it has quite often aligned with some corporation that needed help maintaining it’s business interests in a foreign land.

I agree with what you have said, however the current chaos goes beyond what we usually see, and so one must wonder what else is trying to be achieved and why now.