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Posted on 02/05/2017 7:13:44 PM PST by Read Write Repeat
“He has to get it right. Better to get it right than do it quickly and for it to be a cluster.”
Indeed. If Trump and the Pubs F this up, they’ll be tossed out of every election for the next ten years.
It is February. Why so long to make changes?
Free enterprise would have better plans available next week.
Free market solutions will bring costs down. Capitalism and competition have been missing in the health care equation for a long time and that is why it was a mess long before obamacare. That legislation was just about the libs exploiting a bad situation. The problem is that the supply and the demand have long been separated from each other. The customers cannot affect the prices when the insurance companies and the ambulance chasing lawyers are in the way.
I can have more affect over the price of a brand name loaf of bread at the grocery store than I can over what my local hospital charges for an mri. We need to have a say in what we pay and the service we get.
Forget about replace.
I find it hard to blame Trump for this.
Blame the jackamules Pubbies in Congress who campaigned on repeal and then didn’t do a damn thing.
Now Trump is in, and he basically has to work from scratch. And unlike what some people say here, he simply can’t just throw the whole thing out. Mostly because Obamacare annihilated huge swaths of our existing infrastructure. We can’t go back to what we had because what we had no longer exists. It’s like trying to claim that we can go back to a fine old house AFTER it was knocked down and a slum built on its lot.
Repeal alone would be the equivalent of demolishing a slum, as mentioned in an earlier post. But without anything else in place. Obamacare destroyed a lot of what already existed, and simple repeal isn’t going to bring it back.
And, hope springs eternal, ‘replace’ involves things like sale of insurance across state lines, it may well be better than what we had before.
The problem is that republicans can only knock out parts of Obamacare using reconciliation (51 votes) and they currently do not have 51 votes because of some moderate republican senators getting cold feet. They also need 60 votes to break the democrat filibuster to actually pass a comprehensive law that would work. Probably not a chance in hell of that happening on Obama’s signature law.
So, Republicans can repeal but can’t replace and the democrats will run into 2018 with the message that Trump destroyed healthcare for 15 million people. There will be ads of dying mothers, dying children with no coverage left dying on the streets.....
If you don’t think this would be politically damaging, you need to wake up. It would be. Probably enough to cost Republicans the house.
It’s in Trump’s and the Republican party’s interest to take their time and do this repeal and replace correctly. Trump has a point that the best thing they can do is maybe do nothing for a couple years and let Obamacare die a natural death on its own, which is going to happen regardless because the law is broken.
Eventually, insurance needs to work like insurance again. You get insurance BEFORE you get sick and this allows the insurance companies to pay out claims later.
Covering everyone with insurance means 50% of the population will be subsided heavily. I don’t think it can be a “one size fits all” proposition. We can improve clinics that emphasize preventative medicine and basic care and then give block grant to hospitals for the indigent.
part of what we need to do.
1) end the medical-school monopoly
on educating doctors
2) end the monopoly on educating specialist doctors
3) end the price gouging on out-of-patent drugs
and that is just the start
(Michael F. Cannon) : CBO report shows full repeal is better than partial repeal
In addition, some aspects of the plan will take 60 votes, democrats will have to be consulted since 8 votes are needed in the Senate.
Those that think this is a snap of the fingers are incredibly ignorant and would make a complete mess of it.
After all, not all parts of Obamacare are even implemented and it was passed in 2009 or 2010.
This IS complicated and the new law needs to be discussed, debated and vetted. Don't you think insurance companies need to be included to discover what is logistically possible? In other words, we need to know what is in it, before it is passed.
It is so easy to make the cheap comment you did, but Trump actually has to govern and fulfill his promises, one of which is that he is going to take care of those who need insurance but can't afford it. If these folks are given vouchers to find health insurance on their own in the open market, then I think we will be fine.
I am curious Rocky, how do doctors get educated if not via medical schools and expand on your specialist doctor thoughts, please. These are two things I am not aware of. Thank you.
It can cover everyone. They just have to be willing to pay for it.
It would be political suicide. The working class blue wall voters who voted for Trump would leave.
Not everyone is equipped with the attributes to do well enough in the marketplace to land and keep a job that offers good insurance. And why should affordable health insurance/care be based upon one’s ability to land such a job? What does one thing have to do with another? A lot, but it shouldn’t. People should have the right to get basic decent health care in accordance with what they can pay imo. It’s not a luxury. It’s a necessity. I guess this is where I differ from the standard conservative pov. Whether they are just dishwashers or burger flippers I don’t believe that responsible human beings should have to suffer in a wealthy, modern civilized nation just because they don’t have the inherent intelligence, aptitude, or social traits to land a job that his/her peers deem worthy. Healthcare is too inflated these days. For instance, 100 bucks and up just to talk with a doctor for 10-15 min and be handed a prescription? Not good.
the AMA limits the enrollment in medical schools.
that part of medical education(the limit),
should be ended...
as for specialist doctors.
obviously, we need them, and they need to be trained.
my complaint is there is a monopoly that
limits the numbers being trained.
guess who that monopoly is?
the AMA, in concert with state boards.
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Okay genius. Submit a white paper of how you would design and implement your plan.
They need to do it, but they need to do it right. If they rush and screw it up, this will be saddled permanently around the necks of the Republicans. It will cost them in the midterms and 2020. It’s amazing the Republicans haven’t come up with a full plan. It’s not like they haven’t had time. That said, it is important that when they repeal Obamacare, they do it right and replace it with something much better.
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