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In California, sanctuary cities may just give way to a sanctuary state
Hotair ^ | 02/01/2017 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 02/01/2017 1:17:44 PM PST by SeekAndFind

This may be one of those good news, bad news stories. The good news is that Donald Trump may not have to worry about sanctuary cities in California any more. The bad news is that the left coast denizens may just turn the whole darn thing into a sanctuary state. At least that’s the latest word coming from their state legislature. (Associated Press)

Democrats in the California Senate ramped up their fight Tuesday against President Donald Trump, advancing bills that would create a statewide sanctuary for people in the country illegally, provide money to pay lawyers for immigrants facing deportation and hamper any attempt to create a Muslim registry.

The moves in the nation’s largest state — home to an estimated 2.3 million immigrants without legal authorization — came days after Trump launched his crackdown on immigration and sanctuary cities across the nation.

The city of San Francisco sued Trump on Tuesday, claiming his executive order that would cut funding from sanctuary cities is unconstitutional and a “severe invasion of San Francisco’s sovereignty.”

That last comment regarding the City by the Bay highlights where a lot of this unrest is coming from. The Mayor of San Francisco has been making the rounds of local radio, talking about a plan which seems to have been hatched by Eric Holder (in his new capacity as the Golden State’s chief warrior against Trump) and it’s gaining traction in liberal circles. We had a bit of foreshadowing of this strategy last week, as reported in the New York Times.

An hour after the president signed the order, a group of California state senators said they planned to fight it in court, with help from Eric H. Holder Jr., former attorney general, whom the Legislature has retained to take on what the senators said they expected would be continued fights with the Trump administration. They said Mr. Trump’s order violated the 10th Amendment by forcing local governments to enforce federal statutes.

There’s some real irony in Holder’s approach because the Tenth Amendment is one which is generally either forgotten or despised by liberals in most cases. States’ rights is an issue which is almost exclusively near and dear to the hearts of conservatives. But now that Trump is talking about bringing the hammer down on cities which defy the laws of the land it’s suddenly becoming critical to the health of the democracy. Go figure.

Also, this is a fairly broad interpretation of the amendment to put it mildly. Article I, Section 8 of the Con­stitution charges Congress with the responsibility to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” Much of the details are left to the Executive branch as to how that’s enforced. At no point does the Constitution mention giving the states the right to overrule the federal government on immigration law. Similarly, the states have a lot of control over which state and local laws to pass and/or enforce, but they do not have the ability to simply break federal immigration law.

I’d love to see this one battled out in court and get a modern era ruling putting the question to bed. In the meantime, California stands to lose a massive amount of federal funding if they choose to go down this path, unless of course they can successfully challenge that in court as well. The SCOTUS has, in fact, ruled in the past that Washington can’t simply remove unrelated funding arbitrarily as punishment, but there’s plenty of law enforcement funding which would probably be on the table. It’s going to be a long and interesting ride from here on out.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; ilelgals; immigration; sanctuarycity
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1 posted on 02/01/2017 1:17:44 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

EF them.


2 posted on 02/01/2017 1:20:22 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is too easy.

The various Departments just need to rewrite all local and state grant requirements from each Department to include compliance with all federal laws.

Game, set, match.


3 posted on 02/01/2017 1:21:09 PM PST by cgbg (Pedophiles--the siren is wailing--incoming!)
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To: SeekAndFind

We should build the wall with the money we’ll save. Make Mexico pay for it. Make California pay for it. It’s all good!


4 posted on 02/01/2017 1:21:29 PM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: SeekAndFind

Send the Marines.


5 posted on 02/01/2017 1:23:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wild thought—What if, instead of seceding, CA was expelled?

Bad idea, I know.

But to my mind there’s two reasons that people act this way:

1) They are weak-minded, and untouched by the consequences of the policies they espouse, or
2) They are effectively selfish, foreign agents bent on leeching from the American host. And, because of our prior welcoming attitudes, there are millions of them.


6 posted on 02/01/2017 1:23:54 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: cgbg

Or CHANGE THE LAW and open the borders. If that can’t be done, admit it’s not what the people want.


7 posted on 02/01/2017 1:24:43 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Weren’t both Cloward and Piven Californians?


8 posted on 02/01/2017 1:29:26 PM PST by txhurl (Break's over, kids, back to WAR.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is going to save us a lot of money!


9 posted on 02/01/2017 1:33:33 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: txhurl

N.Y. and Canadian..............


10 posted on 02/01/2017 1:34:58 PM PST by Osage Orange (We can all live together as brothers or perish together as fools)
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To: cgbg

Charge any official that refuse to comply with immigration laws with harboring illegal aliens.
A few prison sentences will get the others minds right.


11 posted on 02/01/2017 1:36:24 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm... Seems to me they were fine with the Fed forcing same sex marriage and gender neutral bathrooms on the rest of us.

Sauce meet goose.


12 posted on 02/01/2017 1:36:49 PM PST by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can Conservative cities / counties in California become Sanctuary - Sanctuary cities, that is refuse to comply with the states order and help the feds instead?


13 posted on 02/01/2017 1:37:03 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: SeekAndFind

If nothing else, Trump has proven he is a man of his word. This won’t work out well for these folks.


14 posted on 02/01/2017 1:45:16 PM PST by umgud
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To: SeekAndFind

Thats a beautiful state ya got there California.

Be a shame if states out of compliance with immigration law were to be disconnected from the power grid.

How many power plants you guys got, anyways?


15 posted on 02/01/2017 1:47:26 PM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: P-Marlowe

Disconnect the electric grid.... 90 seconds and the rebellion will be flat-lined.


16 posted on 02/01/2017 1:49:59 PM PST by ptsal
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To: umgud

Well federal law prevails on immigration, so they violate the law, seems to me results in fines, criminal charges and ultimately federal takeover. What was done to California through illegals is an absolute disgrace and disaster.


17 posted on 02/01/2017 1:55:13 PM PST by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As a native Californian driven out of my state it’s time to take it back... I’m fed up with a f****** Reconquista Invaders


18 posted on 02/01/2017 1:55:17 PM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
In Texas v. White, an 1869 Supreme Court decision, Chief Justice Salmon Portland Chase ruled that the Union was permanent and indivisible. This meant that a constitutional amendment would be required to permit a state to be removed from the Union.

This concurred with Madison in Federalist #43. He had argued that the Constitution was a compact (contract). Under contract law, a party may remove himself from a contract only if all other parties to the contract concur. The one exception is if an action is taken that voids the contract.

Madison made this argument when we had only 13 states. He argued that if even one state wished to leave, the Union would have to be dissolved to accomplish that, and it would require the unanimous consent of the other 12 parties.

Lincoln's position was more moderate. Because we had so many more states than in Madison's day, Lincoln argued that a constitutional amendment would be the proper tool for dissolving the Union and then re-forming it, minus the states that chose to leave. This would require the concurrence of three fourths of the states, not unanimous consent. Arguing that unilateral secession was unconstitutional and thus forbidden, he asked the southern states to rescind their declarations of secession, send their senators and representatives back to Congress, and negotiate their way out of the Union via an amicable divorce.

After Lincoln's assassination, passions in Congress got out of control. Ten southern states were rolled into five military districts and effectively expelled from the Union. This was a violation of every principle for which Lincoln had prosecuted the war.

The states were told that they could restore their statehood only by ratifying the 14th Amendment. There were several constitutional problems with this. Only states can ratify constitutional amendments, not territories, not military districts -- which do not exist within the Constitution -- not foreign countries, and not the UN. As military districts they could not ratify, but in the heat of the moment, Congress made this a condition of their re-entry.

In 1939, these issues could have been peripherally addressed by the Supreme Court in Coleman v. Miller, but the Court chose to keep this can of worms welded firmly shut. The Civil War had ended only 74 years earlier, and the wounds were still fresh. No one wanted to seriously challenge the validity of the 14th Amendment.

The military district option has never been litigated, which means that it is still technically an option, even if it would be unwise to invoke it.

The proper way for California to leave the Union would be for a constitutional amendment to be proposed by Congress (or a Convention of the States) and ratified by 38 states, either by state legislatures or by state ratifying conventions as chosen by Congress under the provisions of Article V of the Constitution. Disunion negotiations in Congress would include disposition of land acquired by the federal government from the state for military bases and payment of the state's share of the national debt.

There is another factor. If the Union is divisible, then California is divisible. The San Francisco Bay Area and the City of Southern California wish to be independent, but the rest of the state is not so inclined.

19 posted on 02/01/2017 1:56:08 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals crack me up!!!


20 posted on 02/01/2017 1:56:23 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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