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It has been so long since the concept of redemptive suffering has been taught from the pulpit that it can almost be regarded as a lost concept.

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It has been so long since the concept of redemptive suffering has been taught from the pulpit that it can almost be regarded as a lost concept.

So true. You need to go back to early 1900s and read Oswald Chambers (My Utmost for His Highest) or the 1800s and read Charles Spurgeon (Morning and Evening) for old time preaching on this.