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To: goldstategop

I’m afraid Churchill was overrated.

His bumbling cost the British their empire, and it is arguable the Jewish holocaust would not have occurred if the Brits had simply let Hitler go after the Ukraine, and to extinguish Bolshevism.’

There is no way he intended to attack the Brits or America, and would have also left France and the rest of Western Europe alone. How do we know this? EASY. He had NO NAVY. Totally interested in expanding as a land power far enough to unite Germans and provide sufficient foods (Ukraine) so they would not be starved out again as in WWI.

Pat Buchanan’s book on this is outstanding.


8 posted on 01/21/2017 9:44:58 PM PST by Disestablishmentarian
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To: Disestablishmentarian

Better bumble; bumble than surrender; surrender.


10 posted on 01/21/2017 9:49:56 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Disestablishmentarian

Dude he conquered France BEFORE he invaded the USSR. Are you nuts?!!!


14 posted on 01/21/2017 9:56:02 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Disestablishmentarian

>I’m afraid Churchill was overrated.

Correct. Churchill was a drunk who gave great speeches and managed to lose the empire and half of Europe. Great at inspiring people to amazing acts, awful at actually ruining the British Empire.

>His bumbling cost the British their empire, and it is arguable the Jewish holocaust would not have occurred if the Brits had simply let Hitler go after the Ukraine, and to extinguish Bolshevism.’

This however is not correct. If you’ve read Mein Kamf it’s pretty clear that Hitler had a burning need to destroy France because of WW1 and kill the Jews for the stab in the back.

>There is no way he intended to attack the Brits or America

Originally he didn’t want to fight a way against the UK and USA. However, Hitler’s desire for conquest kept growing as the successes piled up. I very much doubt he would have stopped once he owned Russia.


16 posted on 01/21/2017 10:04:20 PM PST by RedWulf (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!)
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To: Disestablishmentarian

You forgot the /s


18 posted on 01/21/2017 10:13:53 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (I told you so)
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To: Disestablishmentarian

No, the lack of will by the socialists who replaced Churchill is what lost the Empire. Furthermore, if Hitler had been allowed to control Stalin’s oil fields, the Reich would have become unstoppable.

Nonsense like this is why people think Buchanan is a closet Nazi.


21 posted on 01/21/2017 10:22:15 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Experience is a dear teacher, but fools will learn at no other. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Disestablishmentarian

SHOCKED AM I, that someone else reads the truth into the myth of Churchill. He was to be nice, not as portrayed. Not one single little bit.


23 posted on 01/21/2017 10:29:10 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Disestablishmentarian
Yours is an ignorant post and, worse, it presumes to play what if games even as it gets what actually happened all wrong.


30 posted on 01/21/2017 11:13:33 PM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: Disestablishmentarian
There is no way [Hitler] intended to attack the Brits or America, and would have also left France and the rest of Western Europe alone.

How do we know this? EASY. He had NO NAVY. Totally interested in expanding as a land power far enough to unite Germans and provide sufficient foods (Ukraine) so they would not be starved out again as in WWI.

Yes, it's so EASY. I'm sure Hitler, with his air power and rocket technology , would never have developed nuclear weapons first and used them against any English-speaking nations. After all, the guy was so level-headed and reasonable.

I'm no "rocket scientist, but the friggin' Nazis were trying to develop the A-bomb, for God's sake!

Whatever the thesis behind Buchanan's book might be (and I very much like Patrick Buchanan), it's the height of wishful thinking to imagine that Hitler wouldn't have eventually turned his attention towards the United Kingdom, America, or any other nation, once the mood struck him.

To me, the Nazi regime in Germany, with its desire to develop nuclear weapons, produces just about the strongest argument I can imagine regarding the potential necessity and moral justification of engaging in pre-emptive warfare...

34 posted on 01/21/2017 11:31:26 PM PST by sargon (LS sez: "The Uniparty Establishment has NO idea what's about to hit them!")
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To: Disestablishmentarian

Talk about rewriting history -


42 posted on 01/22/2017 12:01:06 AM PST by maine-iac7 (cHRISTIAN IS AS CHRISTIAN DOES)
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To: Disestablishmentarian

And you believe that crap!
Does the stupid hurt?


44 posted on 01/22/2017 12:26:49 AM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Disestablishmentarian
You just signed up a scant few days ago. Take a hint, TROLL... YOU DON'T BELONG HERE; YOU'RE AN UNEDUCATED, BRAIN DEAD IDIOT, AND NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE ASAP!
46 posted on 01/22/2017 12:50:46 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Disestablishmentarian

Hitler had no Navy?

Who owned those U-Boats that sank almost 2,800 ships?

We can agree that Hitler’s surface navy wasn’t on a level with his land and air forces, especially in the early years, but that was because Germany was primarily engaged in a land war.

England, being an island nation, and the USA fighting from the other side of the Atlantic had greater need for naval forces.


53 posted on 01/22/2017 1:41:24 AM PST by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 50 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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