Posted on 01/18/2017 5:02:51 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
That’s a big ruh roh, ISIS beating back tank attacks.
As obsolete as cavalry against a soldier with a handheld missile.
How many TOW missiles did we sell ISIS at the bazaar in Benghazi?
“That’s a big ruh roh, ISIS beating back tank attacks.”
Well, aren’t the ISIS troops trained by the US and using US weapons?
Also, the Turkish Leopards don’t have explosive reactive armor or active protection systems to block incoming rounds...
In 2016? Is this common for tanks i this day and age not to have these capabilities
IIRC, Kornet was effective against our Abrams as well...
ERA is not effective against a Kornet.
“As obsolete as cavalry against a soldier with a handheld missile.”
Leopard A4s yes. Survival time with same set of missiles (TOWs, Kornets) against Russian-made Syrian T-90s? Less than 2 seconds. Damage to T-90 = paint chips at best. Shooter damage = hard to find parts and pieces.
There’s a video somewhere on YouTube or Live Leak. Final comment after shooting Kornet at T-90, “Mufsta’s dead.”
I’m not sure how much this report really says about the leopard 2.
it has been well known tanks are vulnerable in cities and even in towns and must operate closely with dismounted infantry in order to guard against exactly the type of sudden ambush that surely led to these losses.
Tanks are not magic; they need to be supported properly. While certain groups of fighters are excellent against women and children, they are often very poor at the coordinated tactics that are needed to keep heavy equipment in a fight. When that flaw is present on both sides of a battle, the foolhardy on one side will kill off some of the heavy equipment on the other side.
So let me get this straight...Russia is providing air support for Turkish forces fighting ISIS in Syria.
Are the US led “allies” defending their proxies?
As noted by others, I’m not sure how much of this report is cause for worry. Tanks by their nature are not good in MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain). Urban Terrain fighting is always messy even under the best of circumstances. Before making any assessment of this report, we would have to know more about the type of tactics and support that the Turks used during this assault. Send a tank by itself down the street and any properly equipped and trained enemy is going to ensure that it doesn’t make it to the end of that street.
Tanks have always been vulnerable in urban warfare even before the days of antitank missiles to well placed mines and guns firing at point blank range. Tanks fight best in open country.
There's an interview of a WWII German Tiger tank commander moved from the Steppes of the Eastern Front to the Bocages of France.
He noticed that too. He also saw what air power, in the form of a 500lb aerial bomb does to a Tiger tank when it lands directly on top of one.
Tanks are meant for breakthroughs and need support.
There should be smoke and artillery suppressing anyone shooting at them.
Tanks are meant for breakthroughs and need support.
There should be smoke and artillery suppressing anyone shooting at them.
Close quarters it may not matter, but don’t the Israeli’s have what is essentially a phalanx system to take out RPG and TOW missiles?
That's what got my attention too. What a crazy, mixed up place the Obama admin has created.
Watch the missiles blow up the tanks on liveleak.
The tankers are dumb enough to park them in an exposed place, giving the missile shooter ample time to aim.
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