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Repealing Obamacare Has To Include Consequences
Townhall.com ^ | January 15, 2017 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 01/15/2017 7:20:50 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Lopeover

“Republicans now have to figure out what to do with a family of four that makes $80,000 but still suckles the government teat by taking health insurance designed for people who are incapable of obtaining it for themselves. What do you tell them?”

With competition, there will be a policy which will be the right fit for that family.


61 posted on 01/15/2017 9:12:43 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (CNN - The Chicken Noodle Network)
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To: Alberta's Child

You’re right. Operator error on my part.


62 posted on 01/15/2017 9:27:01 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Alberta's Child
You hit the problem right on the head -- maybe without even meaning to do it.

I fully recognize that any industry which has a large part of its workforce doing something which has no bearing on its productivity or product will have costs all out of proportion to its results.

Not all FR readers are well versed in economics, so the reasoning is not as readily apparent as it is to some.

63 posted on 01/15/2017 9:36:48 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Right! And repealing the exorbitant amounts of money our government personnel receive in retirement benefits. Heard a caller on talk radio, concerned about what Ooopsama will do after he leaves office. He will live off of us, play on the nicest golf courses in the country, and his wife and kids will still wear dresses costing 19k and go to private schools. We need to stop this, all government pensions should be cut, dramatically. Stop funding living expenses for non Americans, and Americans milking our system. Check out how Japan handles welfare recipients...We need to do it here, now.


64 posted on 01/15/2017 9:40:17 AM PST by conservative_cyclist ( America will be Great again)
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To: Kaslin

I reject the liberals premise.


65 posted on 01/15/2017 11:41:02 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kaslin

“Republicans now have to figure out what to do with a family of four that makes $80,000 but still suckles the government teat by taking health insurance”

Socialized medicine needs to be repealed, true, but where can a family of four that makes $80,000 get on Medicaid?

In this state, the cutoff is under $36,000.


66 posted on 01/15/2017 12:33:17 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Lopeover

“Most people get their healthcare through work.”

Less and less. Business after business has cut workers to part-time to avoid healthcare expenses.


67 posted on 01/15/2017 12:35:23 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: cba123

“We do not need to go back to the mess we had before Obamacare was enacted.”

Fake history.

Before Obamacare was enacted, our healthcare system was the envy of the world. Our corrupt and depraved media lied about that daily to fool people into accepting socialized medicine.

Get government out of healthcare, and people, doctors, hospitals, and charities will put things right.


68 posted on 01/15/2017 12:41:19 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yeah. That is outrageous.


69 posted on 01/15/2017 1:20:13 PM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: lurk

Thread winner!


70 posted on 01/15/2017 4:06:23 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: DakotaGator

Forget about replacing it. That’s a disaster waiting to happen.

Some other ideas that might improve the health insurance situation in this country:

1. Don’t force people to pay for coverage they don’t want (which basically forces them to pay for someone ELSE’s medical bills). For example, 80 year old women should not have to pay for birth control coverage, Christians and anyone else with morals should not have to pay for abortion coverage. Normal people should not have to pay for sex change coverage.

2. Allow insurance to be purchased across state lines. This would encourage healthy competition instead of giving virtual monopolies to companies in each state.

3. Make it illegal to cut deals with insurance companies giving them preferential pricing. Why should the uninsured person have to pay $500 out of pocket for something that the insured person (i.e., his insurance company) is only charged $100 for?


71 posted on 01/15/2017 4:12:15 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Kaslin

The Republicans never owned it, not a single one voted for it.


72 posted on 01/15/2017 4:18:25 PM PST by Trillian
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To: Kaslin
Repealing it IS replacing it.

By repealing it, the marketplace is re-opened.

We don't need government run health care in any form.

Repeal it and then expand Medical Savings Accounts, Health Savings Accounts, tax deductions for medical costs and insurance premiums.

73 posted on 01/15/2017 5:07:27 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals w.ould have no standairds at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Trillian
The Republicans never owned it, not a single one voted for it.

Then I guess they'll own the replacement since there won't be more than one or two Democrats that vote for it.

74 posted on 01/15/2017 5:09:57 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Texas Eagle
Repeal it and then expand Medical Savings Accounts, Health Savings Accounts, tax deductions for medical costs and insurance premiums.

MSAs and HSAs are managed by individual employers. What if a company doesn't provide them?

75 posted on 01/15/2017 5:11:42 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: generally
Why should the uninsured person have to pay $500 out of pocket for something that the insured person (i.e., his insurance company) is only charged $100 for?

Why should people pay retail when large customers pay wholesale?

76 posted on 01/15/2017 5:12:59 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
MSAs and HSAs are managed by individual employers. What if a company doesn't provide them?

As long as there are no specific restrictions preventing private parties from banding together (a la the Christian cost-sharing program called MediShare) and buying into HSAs and MSAs, problem solved.

If there are restrictions, repeal those as well.

77 posted on 01/15/2017 5:14:50 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals w.ould have no standairds at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle
As long as there are no specific restrictions preventing private parties from banding together (a la the Christian cost-sharing program called MediShare) and buying into HSAs and MSAs, problem solved.

Someone has to be managing the HSA and MSA to begin with. I expect there is some overhead and requirements behind that.

78 posted on 01/15/2017 5:20:49 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: generally

Good proposals. I add medical equipment depreciation reform and tort reform to your points.

My contention is that the greatest single problem with health insurance is government meddling. That’s both on the federal and state levels.

Again, the federal government has no constitutional authority to regulate health insurance or require citizens to have insurance (and that includes Medicare). The Several States do have the authority to regulate health insurance within their respective jurisdictions. But they are subject to the same politicians’ “something for nothing” mandate disease.

So I believe the first thing we need to do is kick the federal government out of every hint of regulating health insurance. And then we need to oppose onerous health insurance regulations by our own states.

These are tall orders. But that’s what we’ve ended up with following a century of the “progressives” shredding our Constitution.


79 posted on 01/15/2017 8:29:40 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: DoodleDawg

If you break both of your arms, you get a deal.

Otherwise the doctor has to see each person with a broken arm individually.


80 posted on 01/15/2017 8:30:50 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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