Posted on 01/06/2017 3:46:18 PM PST by Kaslin
Suspected Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport shooter Esteban Santiago. (Picture provided by law enforcement sources)
FORT LAUDERDALE (CBSMiami) — Federal law enforcement sources said the suspected gunman in a deadly attack at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport got into an argument during his flight from Alaska to Florida.
They’re now investigating whether that’s what set off a shooting rampage that left 5 dead and 8 others wounded.
Esteban Santiago-Ruiz, 26, took a flight from Alaska to Florida Friday with a stop in Minnesota, officials said. Somewhere along the way, he got into an argument.
According to Broward Commissioner Chip LaMarca, Santiago-Ruiz arrived from a flight with a gun that he checked in.
(Excerpt) Read more at miami.cbslocal.com ...
My comment was simply that he should not have had the right to so carry given his prior ISIS claims directly to the FBI.
I never suggested that you yourself were aiding or sympathizing with the Islamist enemy.
Cattle car flights packed with the cheapest of the cheap primarily from the Bronx - pre 9/11. There was a bidding war between carriers NYC-MIA and you could fly round trip as low as $99. A new crowd of NY travelers began flying south, quite regularly.
Picture George Costanza’s parents from Seinfeld, but worse. Pack a few hundred of them together, all whining, loud, abrupt, no courtesy, no manners- a nightmare.
Pilots and stews had very little control in those days. All they could do would be to repeatedly beg, plead and cajole people to take a seat. They handled the passengers like brat kindergartners, for the most part.
Stewardess’s were forced to grab their bags back and restore them for landing and yelled repeatedly to get people to re-buckle.
Pilots would announce, “If you do not return to your seats, I will not, I repeat- will not- proceed to the gate. If you remain in the aisles, we will sit on this runway!!”
Any item left behind in haste was gone for good- finders keepers applied. Luggage theft at the terminal was common at both ends, never to be recovered.
Airport security pre 9/11 was primarily to catch pick-pockets, free-fliers, luggage thieves, or kicking solicitors and drunks out of the airport terminals. Hare Krishna the entertainment, not TV.
These were mainly middle aged -retired people of the Bronx, Brooklyn & Miami Beach. I’ll leave it at that.
Kinda like Eddie Ray Routh or Adam Lanza.
The first name you mentioned was minimally on the news media’s radar for reporting. But...kinda like him and the other one...and the movie theater killer guy under psychiatric care...and several others whose names I wish to forget.
As much fun as they had with MKUltra, it certainly is not a stretch. This is just a snippet from Wiki, all sourced.
Project MKUltra – the CIA’s mind control program – code name given to a program of experiments, some illegal. Experiments were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control. Organized through the Scientific Intelligence Division of the CIA, the project coordinated with the Spec-Ops Division of the U.S. Army’s Chemical Corps.
It began in the early 1950s, sanctioned 1953, curtailed 1967, halted 1973. The program engaged in illegal activities, including the use of unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy. MKUltra used numerous methodologies to manipulate people’s mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as other forms of psychological torture.
The scope of Project MKUltra was broad, with research undertaken at 80 institutions, 44 colleges & universities, hospitals, prisons, and pharmaceutical companies. The CIA operated through these institutions using front organizations, although sometimes top officials at these institutions were aware of the CIA’s involvement. As the SCOTUS later noted, MKULTRA was:
concerned with “the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior.” The program consisted of some 149 subprojects which the Agency contracted out to various universities, research foundations, and similar institutions. At least 80 institutions and 185 private researchers participated. Because the Agency funded MKUltra indirectly, many of the participating individuals were unaware that they were dealing with the Agency.
Project MKUltra became public knowledge in 1975 by the Church Committee of the U.S. Congress, and a Gerald Ford commission to investigate CIA activities within the US. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Helms ordered MKUltra files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee & Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms’ destruction order.
In 1977, a FOIA request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra, which led to Senate hearings later that same year.In July 2001, some surviving information regarding MKUltra was declassified...-snip-
Questions no one has asked yet:
What was he doing in Anchorage Alaska ?
Why was he traveling to Florida ?
Where did this nutcase get the money to fly all that way ?
Great questions.
If his travel plans ended at the airport, that could be a clue.
Absolutely wrong, wrong, wrong ...
“No, he was within his rights to carry it in the manner he did...”
I am under the impression that a person suffering from schizophrenia loses some rights vis a vis firearms.
“free-fliers”
Eh?
And whatever the cause for someone to go tell the FBI they are feeling compelled to do ISIS things, that ought to qualify him for the no-fly list, let alone the no fly armed list.
“What about combat trauma and chronic alcoholism? High blood pressure accompanied with aneurysms?”
Are you familiar with schizophrenia? The things you name are comparable in no way.
If there is anyone who must be disarmed for the duration of his illness, it is the schizophrenic.
People use to slip on airplanes and try and ride for free. Not hijackers, just freeloaders.
That one sentence was the whole first paragraph of a two paragraph post.
“And whatever the cause for someone to go tell the FBI they are feeling compelled to do ISIS things, that ought to qualify him for the no-fly list, let alone the no fly armed list.”
Yeah, I guess so. I can’t think of any reputable reason to claim such a thing.
Things that would be interesting to know: when and how he booked his ticket/s, how tickets were paid for, how he got to Anchorage airport, what he did in MSP airport, did he have any arrangements for leaving airport at Fort Lauderdale. And I haven’t seen any of those questions addressed in the MSM.
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