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A Surprising Number of Democrats Think Pizzagate Is True
NY Magazine ^

Posted on 12/28/2016 6:33:35 PM PST by TigerClaws

Nearly half of the nation’s Republicans believe John Podesta’s leaked emails contain coded messages referring to “pedophilia, human trafficking and satanic ritual abuse,” according to a new poll from The Economist and YouGov. But more shocking is the number of Dems who have signed on to the asinine conspiracy: Twenty four percent say Pizzagate is “definitely” or “probably” true.

The poll asked respondents to weigh in on a series of questions labeled “conspiracy theories,” including some classics (Was 9/11 an inside job?) and some of the tinfoil crowd’s more recent hits (Did millions of undocumented people vote in the election?). Answers broke down largely along party lines, but it’s the small percentage of weirdos who believe in the conspiracies aimed at their own side that’s always the most fascinating.

For example, it’s not shocking to learn that more than half of Republicans think President Obama was born in Kenya, which was throughly debunked years ago. But it is shocking to learn that 20 percent of Democrats think so, too. On the other side, it’s easy to believe that a full 50 percent of Clinton voters think Russia “tampered with vote tallies” to help elect Trump, despite a lack of evidence. But why would 9 percent of Trump voters believe the same thing?

Despite broad disagreements on politically relevant conspiracy theories, Democrats and Republicans did find an issue to unite them — vaccines and autism. The poll found that 28 percent of Democrats believe “vaccines have been shown to cause autism” and 29 percent of Republicans do, too. Tags: pizzagateconspiracy theoriespolls Share on Facebook Tweet this Story Top Stories New York Times: Corrupt U.S. Border Agents a Boon For Smugglers Trump Takes Credit for Sprint Bringing 5,000 Jobs to U.S. Trump Considers Latino Pol and Would-Be Reality Star for Cabinet Most Viewed Stories 15 of Carrie Fisher’s Best, Most Honest Feminist Quotes Carrie Fisher Struggled Against Being a Nerd-Boy Sex Object Her Whole Life Trump Campaign Manager Condemns Democrats for Trying to Delegitimize the President-elect Here’s How Obama Could Go Nuclear on Trump and the GOP Before Leaving Office Donald Trump’s War Against Facts Carrie Fisher Was the Best Part of When Harry Met Sally Children of Men Might Be the Most Relevant Film of 2016 Debbie Reynolds Reportedly Rushed to Hospital for Medical Emergency This Pastry Chef Turns His Desserts Into Miniature Scenes Rihanna Has Unfollowed Jennifer Lopez on Instagram After Drake Rumors Most Watched on Daily Intelligencer

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i'm not surprised. many of the same dems thought clinton had the election in the bag

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If 17% of Democrats believe Pizzagate is true, wonder if they showed up to vote last month?
1 posted on 12/28/2016 6:33:35 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Well...did millions of undocumented people vote in the election?


2 posted on 12/28/2016 6:38:22 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: TigerClaws

Ive been noticing a few..not all...a few high profile democrat friends on my facebook secretly giving “likes” to pro Trump posts on my page. Me thinks a few of the older aged variety really are seeing what their party is but they are still a small minority.Keep hammering away the mainstream and we may have a chance of some defection to the light side.


3 posted on 12/28/2016 6:38:49 PM PST by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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To: TigerClaws

And, of course, it’s NOT true.

Why?

Because liberals told us it was not true.

Just as the IRS problems were not true.

And Hillary’s “lost” emails were not purged.

And Hillary did NOT get any debate questions beforehand.

And Dorkbama really did have a valid birth certificate.

And no climate “scientist” has ever altered data, or demonstrated extreme ineptness at using math.

And on and on.


4 posted on 12/28/2016 6:39:42 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

Once they see jobs and the economy rolling, they’ll realize how crappy the last 8 years have been. How they don’t know that already.... got me.

Here’s a quick ‘pizzagate’ summary of origin:

While Wikileads #55433 is one of the most cited of the Podesta emails (the “pizza related map” one) there is an aspect that is only rarely mentioned. If you look at the original message from the realtor Kathryn Tate it states: “I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black) that was left on the kitchen island. Happy to send it via the mail if you let me know where I should send it.” This was sent to Susan and Herbert Sandler. Note that nothing was stated in this email about pizza or a map. Ms. Tate sees this as nothing more than someone left a handkerchief and she wants to know where to send it.

So now Susan Sandler emails John Podesta with “The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus (sic)? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.” So where does Ms. Sandler get the idea that this handkerchief is “pizza related” or that it has a “map” from what Ms. Tate told her? It’s not to be found. So it is clear that Ms. Sandler inferred from the description that the handkerchief was potentially important. It seems that she must know something about Podesta. A literal interpretation is clearly not correct and that the words pizza and map are a cryptic reference.

Using the PIzzaGate codes this is message makes sense in that Ms. Sandler was concerned that this handkerchief might have evidence of illicit activity. Podesta’s response suggests that either this is not the case here or that he just isn’t worried. At any rate this construction makes this far more evidential than simply to look at it as “pizza related map” .. WTF? Rather it indicates that Ms. Sandler is familiar with Podesta’s activity or at a minimum strongly suspects it. She seeks to protect him.

https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/55433


5 posted on 12/28/2016 6:40:05 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Transcontinental, Lear-jet deliveries of exciting WALNUT SAUCE:

We’ve ALL done that a dozen times, right...?

TOTALLY NORMAL..!


6 posted on 12/28/2016 6:40:18 PM PST by gaijin
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To: TigerClaws

Nearly half of the nation’s Republicans believe John Podesta’s leaked emails contain coded messages referring to “pedophilia, human trafficking and satanic ritual abuse,” according to a new poll from The Economist and YouGov. But more shocking is the number of Dems who have signed on to the asinine conspiracy: Twenty four percent say Pizzagate is “definitely” or “probably” true.

The poll asked respondents to weigh in on a series of questions labeled “conspiracy theories,” including some classics (Was 9/11 an inside job?) and some of the tinfoil crowd’s more recent hits (Did millions of undocumented people vote in the election?). Answers broke down largely along party lines, but it’s the small percentage of weirdos who believe in the conspiracies aimed at their own side that’s always the most fascinating.

For example, it’s not shocking to learn that more than half of Republicans think President Obama was born in Kenya, which was throughly debunked years ago. But it is shocking to learn that 20 percent of Democrats think so, too. On the other side, it’s easy to believe that a full 50 percent of Clinton voters think Russia “tampered with vote tallies” to help elect Trump, despite a lack of evidence. But why would 9 percent of Trump voters believe the same thing?

Despite broad disagreements on politically relevant conspiracy theories, Democrats and Republicans did find an issue to unite them — vaccines and autism. The poll found that 28 percent of Democrats believe “vaccines have been shown to cause autism” and 29 percent of Republicans do, too.


7 posted on 12/28/2016 6:41:38 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: TigerClaws

So many Dems think PizzaGate is probably true. Yet, they voter for Hillary anyway.
What does that say about most of her supporters?
I personally don’t believe most of it. However, I don’t spend much energy trying to talk others out of taking it all seriously. We are all adults here. Adults have to determine their own belief systems. It’s not my place to say I can interpret and decide for someone else.
The story seems designed to push conservatives off track and onto some very wild goose chases.


8 posted on 12/28/2016 6:42:39 PM PST by lee martell
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To: TigerClaws

The big problem with PizzaGate is the name. It implies it’s all about a pedo ring being run out of a pizzeria (which it may), but it is a million times bigger. It is the belief that a very large number of global politicians are involved with trafficking children, particularly migrants.


9 posted on 12/28/2016 6:42:51 PM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat)
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To: TigerClaws

Any source which claims that Obama’s birth facts are known (or some claims are “debunked”) automatically loses any credibility it may have wanted me to give it.

HI state registrar, Alvin Onaka, refused to certify three different “verifications” of Obama’s allaged HI birth facts, so HDOH Director Loretta Fuddy illegally used her own seal to make it seem like the verifications actually were certified. Fuddy’s seal cannot certify Onaka’s signature; it can only certify her signature, and her signature was not on those verifications.

The only lawful reason for Onaka to refuse to verify the existence of a HI birth certificate for Obama is if there isn’t one. IOW, by his refusal to certify a verification of a HI BC for Obama, Onaka indirectly confirmed that there IS NO HI BC for Obama.

We don’t know where Obama was born. What we do know is that there is no legally-valid BC for him in HI. So what BC has he been using all these years? It’s way past time for the US public to get an answer to that question - and to bring to justice the bureaucratic thugs who faked “legal documents” for him.


10 posted on 12/28/2016 6:45:09 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: BenLurkin
Obama, himself, on the jacket of his own autobiography claimed to be born in Kenya. Then....He compounds the “born in Kenya” Idea by posting a **certified” forged birth certificate.

Geese! And...Some wonder why so many Americans have serious doubts about Obama’s eligibility. Debunked? Hardly!

11 posted on 12/28/2016 6:47:08 PM PST by wintertime (tStop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: TigerClaws

Some people are going way out of their way to insure that Pizzagate is thought of as a conspiracy. When people try so hard to label something as a conspiracy, one might be tempted to start believing that, perhaps there’s more to it than just a conspiracy.

If it’s not true, leave it alone, and don’t try so hard, otherwise, the conspiracy will gain new life, and people might actually discover that there is something to the story.


12 posted on 12/28/2016 6:47:52 PM PST by adorno (w)
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To: butterdezillion

All true....


13 posted on 12/28/2016 6:50:47 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: TigerClaws
asinine conspiracy

Really?

Tell us, do you do better playing dominoes on pasta or cheese? How many pizzas survive at your house for a month, but are in poor health and not expected to survive the next party?

14 posted on 12/28/2016 6:54:30 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,)
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To: wintertime

The entire article is full of hoots like that.


15 posted on 12/28/2016 6:54:39 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: adorno
"Methinks the lady doth protest too much"The Bard
16 posted on 12/28/2016 6:54:59 PM PST by stormhill
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To: TigerClaws
asinine conspiracy

Really?

Tell us, do you do better playing dominoes on pasta or cheese? How many pizzas survive at your house for a month, but are in poor health and not expected to survive the next party?

17 posted on 12/28/2016 6:55:11 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,)
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To: adorno

That’s called the Streisand Effect. Look it up. The attempt to suppress the story makes it larger than it would have been without the intervention.


18 posted on 12/28/2016 7:04:19 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: rawcatslyentist

That was from the article.


19 posted on 12/28/2016 7:04:26 PM PST by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Mea culpa. Not in the article when I just brought it up on my phone


20 posted on 12/28/2016 7:06:43 PM PST by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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