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Navy Wants to Grow Fleet to 355 Ships; 47 Hull Increase Adds Destroyers, Attacks Subs
usni.org ^ | 12/16/2016 | Sam LaGrone and Megan Eckstein

Posted on 12/16/2016 7:23:57 AM PST by rktman

The Navy released a new fleet plan that calls for 355 ships, outlining a massive increase in the size of its high-end large surface combatant and attack submarine fleets but a modest increase in its planned amphibious ship fleet, according to a Dec. 14 summary of the assessment.

The findings of the latest Force Structure Assessment adds 47 ships to the Navy’s battle force over the 308-ship figure from a 2014 FSA.

According to the summary, the service determined the 355 total was the “minimum force structure to comply with [Pentagon] strategic guidance” and was not “the “desired” force size the Navy would pursue if resources were not a constraint, read the summary.

“Rather, this is the level that balances an acceptable level of warfighting risk to our equipment and personnel against available resources and achieves a force size that can reasonably achieve success,” according to the summary, which notes it would take a 653-ship force to meet all global requirements with minimal risk.

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To: Vinnie

“The new DE subs are quiet, fast, can stay submerged for extended periods.”

While there is a role for DE subs, it’s not in blue water where the USN dominates. DE is too slow, not enough endurance for transit and surface fleet protection.

However, in the Med, South China Sea and Persian Gulf they could be quite effective.


41 posted on 12/16/2016 9:54:18 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SandRat
What we need are frigates, we decommissioned and disposed of the Knox FFs and Perry FFGs. We now have the near useless LCSs (when they actually sail) or have to bump up to an Arleigh Burke, which are too valuable to risk doing simple escort or littoral work.

If we had a frigate near the Bowditch the Chinese would not have been so bold to steal that drone.

42 posted on 12/16/2016 10:02:14 AM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: Jim Noble

I would think a guided missile heavy cruiser with some 8-10 inch guns would fit the bill nicely.


43 posted on 12/16/2016 10:03:44 AM PST by sarge83
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To: rktman
Ulithi anchorage, 1945:

At one point prior to the Okinawa invasion there were over 700 ships anchored there.

Murderer's Row:


44 posted on 12/16/2016 10:04:18 AM PST by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: Mariner

Coast Guard? Why is that germane?


45 posted on 12/16/2016 10:10:01 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: dp0622
“anybody know the largest sized Fleet we had in recent memory?”

Good Question! I would add, what is the total tonnage? and how has that change? We may have fewer combat ships but equal tonnage, or not.

46 posted on 12/16/2016 10:18:19 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Mariner

Wow! thanks


47 posted on 12/16/2016 10:50:55 AM PST by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: jjotto

That’s a SHAME!


48 posted on 12/16/2016 10:53:36 AM PST by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622
anybody know the largest sized Fleet we had in recent memory?

President Reagan never quite got his 600 ship navy, but we were close. It has been downhill ever since.

49 posted on 12/16/2016 10:54:28 AM PST by NorthMountain (Drain the swamp.)
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To: Jim Noble

We need a new class of warship—small battleships armed with rail guns. With rockets and Anti-sub gear! A heavy cruiser for the 21st Century. Name em after Native American Tribes like Monitors in the Civil War.


50 posted on 12/16/2016 11:45:37 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: PIF

Because their National Security Patrol Frigate is a superior platform to the LCS in nearly every respect.

Especially this version:

Patrol Frigate 4921 is a more radical redesign with a crew of 141,[22] adding weapons and sensors at the expense of reducing range from 12,000 nautical miles (22,000 km) to 8,000 nautical miles (15,000 km).[23] It adds a 12-cell Mk56 VLS launcher for ESSM air-defense missiles, just behind the main gun which is upgraded from 57mm to a 76 mm Super Rapid.[22] Two quad launchers for Harpoon (missile) anti-ship missiles and a triple launcher for torpedoes are added to the stern.[23] It retains the SeaRAM/Phalanx CIWS and 6 machine guns of other NSC variants.[22] The stern is closed in and houses a towed-array sonar;[23] there is a hull sonar for mine countermeasures and an ESM suite.[23]


51 posted on 12/16/2016 11:46:35 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Well that maybe however, building them does not seem to be on the Navy’s list - they like fancy-smacy stuff like the LSC and the F-35. Practical and or cheaper stuff is just not that lucrative for their next careers as consultants.

So they will go with a pile of ships that don’t work, float, or fight, and a plane whose range is limited like its payload capacity - but hey, looks neat!

The other 7 ships are just place holders until they come up with something even neater, fancier, and more expensive than the LCS or F-35.


52 posted on 12/16/2016 11:52:42 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Mariner
However, modern platforms are FAR more capable and likely 700 ships could do the same job today

Until the enemy starts sinking them.

53 posted on 12/16/2016 11:58:43 AM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: PIF

Unit costs of the F-35a are equivalent to the F-16 block 60, or any of the later variants. About $85mil/ea.

The National Security Frigate costs about $200mil/ea more than the LCS.


54 posted on 12/16/2016 12:48:43 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
We need a new class of warship—small battleships armed with rail guns. With rockets and Anti-sub gear! A heavy cruiser for the 21st Century. Name em after Native American Tribes like Monitors in the Civil War.
Add in X-band phased array radar and we already do. It's called the Zumwalt Class destroyer, assuming the planned rail guns are added.
55 posted on 12/16/2016 4:30:18 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

More Zumwalts with railguns are what’s needed.


56 posted on 12/16/2016 4:33:28 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: paddles

What have you against the USCG?


57 posted on 12/16/2016 5:45:42 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools" Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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