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To: DiogenesLamp
Sorry. I've had trouble scanning my OED. So I took some photos of the pages and tried to photoshop it but I just have so much time. Still I think you'll be able to read what you want here.
ML/NJ
421 posted on 12/20/2016 4:16:09 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Thanks for posting that. It was more information than I previously had. I decided to find out what I could about the Starkey and Wyclif references. I didn't find much about John Wyclif other than that he dealt with the representative of the Anti-Pope Clement VII who was from Geneva Switzerland, (Indeed, he was the Count of Geneva) but Thomas Starkey spent 5 years living in Padua Italy, which is about 70 miles away from Switzerland, so I am speculating that he likely picked up the Swiss usage of the word from his exposure to it during that time period.

It is informative that they only list two usages of the word with that meaning prior to the 1770s, and quite a lot more usages of the word to mean "townfolk."

I know Shakespeare and Blackstone both used the word exclusively in the context of Town Folk, and the King James bible mostly uses it in that manner, and the one or two occasions in which it seems to mean the word as citizens of a country could be attributable to Wycliffe's influence. Apparently he was very instrumental in spreading the bible to the Masses back around 1380 or so.

I still maintain that post 1760s usage of the word, and especially the American usage of the word is directly attributable to Vattel's usage of it in his Law of Nation's book. Again I point out that the normal English word to describe members of a nation was "Subjects."

They must have chosen to use the Swiss meaning, which even your Oxford Dictionary indicates was the less common usage, over the ubiquitous and familiar word "Subject", because of Vattel's influence.

I've examined four other English dictionaries of the time period, and none of them have the Swiss meaning in them at all.

438 posted on 12/27/2016 7:38:55 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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