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To: DiogenesLamp

A court order or a congressional subpoena can bring about release of the original birth document for inspection and comparison of the data with the copies that have been scanned and photographed.
As long as the state of Hawaii stands by the authenticity of the birth documents that have been seen publicly, there is little that can be done.
There is no evidence that has been found for an adoption by Lolo Soetoro.
Speculating on possble birth scenarios is fun for an Internet discussion forum but definitive proof would be needed of a birth somewhere else and thus far that proof has not been uncovered.
Remember that Obama also has the souvenir birth certificate with his infant footprints from Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecolgical Hospital.


378 posted on 12/19/2016 7:09:45 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
There is no evidence that has been found for an adoption by Lolo Soetoro.

Which, in any event, would be immaterial. If born in the USA, Obama's claim to citizenship would be unaffected by any actions his parents might have taken when he was a minor.

Even if adopted and granted Indonesian citizenship, Obama would remain a US citizen -- unless he renounced that citizenship upon reaching his majority.

381 posted on 12/19/2016 9:04:21 PM PST by okie01
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To: Nero Germanicus
A court order or a congressional subpoena can bring about release of the original birth document for inspection and comparison of the data with the copies that have been scanned and photographed.

This is true, but you and I both know no such thing will be forthcoming. Neither the Courts nor the Congress have the desire or will to do such a thing. They consider the matter closed.

As long as the state of Hawaii stands by the authenticity of the birth documents that have been seen publicly, there is little that can be done.

They don't stand by them. You can't even get them to admit the one Obama has posted is the one they sent. So far, they've never been put into the position of being forced to support any document.

Until Hawaii takes a stand and owns up to a document, you can't even appeal to your "full faith and credit" argument.

Remember that Obama also has the souvenir birth certificate with his infant footprints from Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecolgical Hospital.

And we know this how? Because he or one of his sycophants have said so? Why are you so quick to believe what people tell you in absence of actual proof?

I would actually put more stock in a souvenir birth certificate with his infant footprints from Kapi'olani, then I would from anything put forth by Hawaii state government at this point.

No one had any motive for lying when they created one of those.

383 posted on 12/20/2016 6:35:39 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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