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To: Nero Germanicus
I have said all along that I believe the released birth certificate to have been a legitimate product from the state of Hawaii. I have also said that it is fake. I have also said that it is perfectly normal for states to create fake birth certificates in cases of adoption, the case for which there are seven or eight pieces of circumstantial evidence indicating Obama was in fact adopted.

Nobody really gives my argument much credibility, but I still think it best fits the available facts.

Yes, Obama's "birth certificate" is a legal document produced and supported by the state of Hawaii, and no, it's not his real birth certificate.

I suspect he doesn't actually have one. I suspect all he has is some records in state files, but not an actual valid proof of being born there.

304 posted on 12/19/2016 6:36:31 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

President Eisenhower was a home birth in Denton, Texas and he never received a birth certificate. When Ike was in his 50’s he got a birth certificate issued on the notarized testimony of his wife and brother.
A birth certificate is “self-authenticating” under the Federal Rules of Evidence if it has the signature of a custodian and a seal or if it is testified to be authentic by its custodian.
In order to invalidate a birth certificate, probatve evidence of a birth somewhere else would need to be presented. If fraud or deception was done by Obama’s relatives in 1961, that would not impact him in the final month of his presidency in 2016.


309 posted on 12/19/2016 11:06:49 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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