Posted on 12/12/2016 10:15:01 AM PST by Steelfish
Did you ever have a top secret Clearance like many Freepers.
I doubt if many of us would say keep the CIA in its current mode.
I did have a top secret MI clearance, and I think we would be better off if Trump DCed the CIA.
It’s the elite versus the rest of us.
Someone must have stroked the Turkey's waddle and offered him good money to turn traitor. This is nothing new for him though.Whatever affords him an advantage he'll go along with. Despise the man because he has no backbone. He looks like a pedophile to me. He has the look...
Well then you have more of an inside than I do.
I can’t help what my thoughts are on the CIA. I think it gets blamed for just about everything. Policy goes wrong, the CIA gets the blame.
Not entirely buying that the CIA is something we need to get rid of.
One example was WMDs in Iraq. Around the world many intel services thought that Husein had WMDs. Bush bought of on it and so did Powell. Our Senate and House bought off on it. The U.N. was convinced of it.
Once in Iraq, we didn’t find much. Was the CIA wrong? Did Hussein move things to Syria? I don’t know, but a lot of folks made some pretty good mileage off the CIA failure.
One large stash of chemicals or gas was found by our forces. Evidently ISIS found some stuff too. Both were buried.
Was this some CIA plot? I think a lot of folks think it was. I’m not convinced.
Hussein was constantly bragging about what he had. He was telling folks he was backing terrorists around the world. He was moving his troops up to other nation’s borders. He was pushing the limits on no fly zones.
Some folks say so what. Others say he had to go.
Still not buying that the CIA is of no use to us.
Run one of your polls asking any freepers with former MI a former top secret clearance or a current TS/SCI-cleared (Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information).
Should Trump keep the CIA and try to correct the problems.
or
Should Trump do to the CIA, what Truman did to the OSS after WWII, disband it.
CIA is not a producer of Intel, (except for their limited Humint activity.) They are rather a user of intel produced by real gathering / collecting units. They used to be tasked with multi-source fusion analysis to produce intel for the National Command.
That process won't work when the Command dictates the result required. True Intelligence Product is neutral politically.
One of us is right. The other is wrong. Or perhaps somewhere in-between is the answer.
I’m comfortable with this.
I’m not here to out folks who had clearance at some point.
I have given my impression from 50 years of the best public observation I could give it.
Humans are humans, and whatever form secret intelligence takes shape in, there will be human involvement. There will be very good efforts. There will be abuses. There will be good and bad outcomes.
I don’t think you toss out the whole agency. Starting from ground zero sounds like a great idea, but how do you do that?
In no time at all, you’ve hired back on people with experience, and you’re back where you started. Twenty years goes by, you just get back up to speed, and someone declares they need to do away with that agency.
Not buying it.
This is my opinion. I have no problem with you disagreeing.
That process won't work when the Command dictates the result required. True Intelligence Product is neutral politically.
I agree with your end summary.
Thank you for your comments.
The CIA doesn’t have people on the ground providing intel from other nations?
Yes, that's the Humint to which I referred. They run / control people from others nations to obtain information, usually taken or copied from their employers, (government or industry.) The James Bond stuff of the "agent" infiltrating a secret site is mostly in movies.
That is a very small portions of the total collection effort of US Intelligence.
Keeping those CIA folks, and their sources Secret is very important to their survival and the continuation of access to the information. CommiecRATs are really good at leaking or just disclosing names, and getting people killed.
Okay, then not to be argumentative, are you comfortable with doing away with the CIA. I’m not setting you up. I’m just curious your take on it.
PE Trump has the right people coming on board. They understand and if given the authority will
"MAKE US INTELLIGENCE GREAT AGAIN."
Maybe if we keep the CIA, we could have those we keep, interviewed and vet by people like you or me.
The only suggestion I would like to see is myself ASA Vet appointed as PE Trumps Director of National Intelligence. What a gig that would be.......
He’s way past his term limit.
I agree with that emphasis.
There seems to have been some rogue elements, but with the right director and some corrections, it seems they could be brought back in line.
I take a real dim view of political activity from within the ranks.
Thank you.
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