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Carrier to ultimately cut some of jobs Trump saved, replace them with automation
CNN Money ^ | 12/09/2016 | Chris Isidore

Posted on 12/09/2016 8:21:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind

It sounded like great news when Carrier said last week that it would invest millions in the Indiana plant it decided to keep in the U.S.

The company's deal with President-elect Donald Trump to keep a furnace plant from moving to Mexico also calls for a $16 million investment in the facility. But that has a big down side for some of the workers in Indianapolis.

Most of that money will be invested in automation said to Greg Hayes, CEO of United Technologies, Carrier's corporate parent. And that automation will replace some of the jobs that were just saved.

"We're going to...automate to drive the cost down so that we can continue to be competitive," he said on an interview on CNBC earlier this week.

"Is it as cheap as moving to Mexico with lower cost labor? No. But we will make that plant competitive just because we'll make the capital investments there.

But what that ultimately means is there will be fewer jobs."

The decision to keep Carrier's furnace manufacturing operations in the U.S. instead of moving them to Mexico will save about 800 jobs out of the 1,400 at the plant, at least in the near term. The company declined to say how many of the plants 800 remaining jobs could be lost to automation, or when.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automation; carrier; jobs
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1 posted on 12/09/2016 8:21:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Automation is inevitable but at least they are our robots


2 posted on 12/09/2016 8:24:45 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chicken Little Concerned for Trump people are almost as annoying as NeverTrumpers!)
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To: SeekAndFind

And what about the people who build the automation? Is CNN counting those?


3 posted on 12/09/2016 8:25:26 AM PST by aquila48
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To: ari-freedom

RE: Automation is inevitable but at least they are our robots

How sure are you about that?


4 posted on 12/09/2016 8:25:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: aquila48

Also, unless Skynet is real someBODY had to do maintenance.


5 posted on 12/09/2016 8:27:54 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: SeekAndFind

Because the factory is in the US, not mexico. (I didn’t mean to say we built the robots...that I have no idea)


6 posted on 12/09/2016 8:27:59 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chicken Little Concerned for Trump people are almost as annoying as NeverTrumpers!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps the mainstream media could just forget about publishing any new articles for the next several years, substituting instead the banner headline WE HATE TRUMP with random curse words where a “news story” might otherwise have appeared.


7 posted on 12/09/2016 8:30:06 AM PST by madprof98
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To: SeekAndFind

Automation requires support workers at an even higher skill and pay level. Sure not as many but every job saved in the USA is a job saved in the USA. Every industry is investing in automation, but as one who earned a living in that field for many years, I can tell you it’s not only, or often even primariy because of cost. The main reason is QUALITY. There is virtually no way to build products with manual assembly and achieve six sigma level quality, and that’s just the entry threshold for today’s expectations, at 3.4 defects per million. Automotive companies and others are pushing for 7+ sigma DPM levels, and you cannot achieve them without automation. The same is true across many industries.

That said, I’ll be the first to say that Trump and Pence accomplished something that was partially symbolic and the real work lies ahead. By giving companies some constraints on outsourcing while at the same time improving the US business climate through reduced taxation and federal regulations, the feds will at least be doing their part to encourage the reshoring and expansion of manufacturing in the US.

After that it will be up to individual states to compete for those opportunities, and as BCG has been saying for several years it will be the right-to-work states with the most attractive business climates that will benefit first and more often. A part of that climate will doubtless be intentives at the state level like Mike Pence gave Carrier. Nothing new, but also nothing really sustainable in that. But as long as one state does it, the others feel they must follow suit.


8 posted on 12/09/2016 8:32:03 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: V_TWIN

People need more skills for that. And you probably don’t need hundreds of people on maintenance. That is why fixing our educational system has to be a top priority!


9 posted on 12/09/2016 8:32:33 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chicken Little Concerned for Trump people are almost as annoying as NeverTrumpers!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If we did away with all the machines there would be more jobs...of course many of them would be hand sewing clothing and standing behind a plow...and people would live lives of poverty and hardship.

Perhaps its better to continue the work of the Industrial revolution and allow people to rise to the challenges as they have done throughout history. I applaud Carrier for pursuing a business model that will allow then to remain in America, with American workers, and keep pricing in line so Americans can buy air-conditioners. If the business improves productivity they can expand and keep those workers overseeing, repairing and directing those machines and much more.


10 posted on 12/09/2016 8:33:06 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: ari-freedom
FROM ROBOTICS AND AUTOMATION

Finding statistics on the install base of robots is not as straightforward as it might be, but RoboticsandAutomationNews.com has compiled its own list of available data and the bar chart below is the result.

Many well known companies are missing from the list and graph, but that’s because we could not find any credible and up to date figures for their install base.

We will of course try and persuade those companies to release that information to us so that we can provide a more complete picture of the market.

We’ve called this list “Top 9”, but that is based on available information.

Update: Fanuc claims to have sold 400,000 robots worldwide. That takes it from fourth on our previous list to first place in the new 2016 list. So, Fanuc is now the world’s largest maker of industrial robots according to the latest information we have. We will update the list as and when we get more information.

Update: Epson claims to have sold 10,000 more robots worldwide since our previous list. The company says it now has 55,000 industrial robots installed worldwide. Our previous list had their install base at 45,000 – this has now been updated (below).

Update: Comau says it has 30,000 robots installed worldwide. In exclusive comments to Robotics and Automation News, a senior executive at the Italian company provided the statistic as part of an extended interview. Our previous list did not include Comau as we could not find the data – this has now been updated (below).

Update: Universal Robots says it has installed 10,000 of its collaborative industrial robots worldwide.

Update: ABB says it has 300,000 robots installed worldwide, up from our previous number of 250,000. We have updated the list, and will update the pie chart at a later date. The new figure places ABB in joint-second place, along with Yaskawa, although our list shows ABB at number 3.

Update: Foxconn says it has installed 40,000 industrial robots in China, according to reports. We had not found this in official company documents, which is why we did not initially include it in the list for now. However, the report was in a reliable publication, so we have decided to include it.

Update: Mitsubishi Robotics says it has 70,000 industrial robots installed worldwide, which makes it number 8 in our list. The parent company is going through some interesting times, after a $2.3 billion capital injection, and reports that it is preparing to triple its executive pay.

Update: Stäubli is one of the original robot manufacturers, and still one of the largest. We estimate that the company has a large number of robots installed worldwide. However, in the absence of any available data, we have made our estimate as to how many robots the company has installed wordldwide.

Top robot companies in the world – robot install base worldwide

  1. Fanuc – 400,000
  2. Yaskawa – 300,000
  3. ABB – 300,000
  4. Kawasaki – 110,000
  5. Nachi – 100,000
  6. Kuka – 80,000
  7. Denso – 80,000
  8. Mitsubishi – 70,000
  9. Epson – 55,000
  10. Stäubli – 45,000
  11. Foxconn – 40,000
  12. Comau – 30,000
  13. Omron / Adept – 25,000
  14. Universal – 10,000

Source: RoboticsAndAutomationNews.com

If new information becomes available, we would be happy to make additions and corrections if appropriate.

We recently found out that Nachi Robotics has a substantial number of industrial robots installed worldwide, which is why we have included it in the list.

We would very much welcome any information that will help us add more companies and more stats to the list.

 


11 posted on 12/09/2016 8:33:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A lot of summer jobs and entry jobs will be replaced because of the PC crowd and their minimum wage idiotics.


12 posted on 12/09/2016 8:33:54 AM PST by Herman Ball
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To: ari-freedom

“People need more skills for that”

Aha! you just created trainer jobs. Congrats. :)


13 posted on 12/09/2016 8:35:17 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: SeekAndFind

It makes no sense not to automate where feasible, but industrial grade equipment requires a LOT of upkeep and can tolerate very little variability.

The reason you keep warm bodies around is to “manage” problems you can’t eliminate or “engineer” your way out of.


14 posted on 12/09/2016 8:35:52 AM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: madprof98
Perhaps the mainstream media could just forget about publishing any new articles for the next several years, substituting instead the banner headline WE HATE TRUMP with random curse words where a “news story” might otherwise have appeared.

Yes, that's what we are in for!
15 posted on 12/09/2016 8:37:59 AM PST by RushingWater
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To: bigbob

Thanks for the insightful post from someone who was on the front line of manufacturing technology. I have been making many of the same points on FR for years, but from the vantage point of an observer who is more interested in the complementarities of automation with human resources.


16 posted on 12/09/2016 8:38:04 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: aquila48

Not just build, but service and upgrade, both hardware and software.


17 posted on 12/09/2016 8:40:00 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: mewzilla

Doesn’t matter. Trump rubbed the lefts’ nose in it with the ‘saved’ word. The rest is details.


18 posted on 12/09/2016 8:41:59 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Liberal answer is to put a huge tax on each robot.


19 posted on 12/09/2016 8:43:09 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: aquila48
And what about the people who build the automation?

Same question as the fallacy of the $15 hr grumblers. Automation is the extinction of outdated jobs and the emergence of new jobs (and better pay) The loss of jobs was inevitable and a corporation has every right in free enterprise to make their product profitable. The left is doing everything they can to rip the Carrier deal apart. They are morons.

20 posted on 12/09/2016 8:44:07 AM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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