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Posted on 12/09/2016 7:22:15 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra
That is a topic which has been examined in detail by many researchers, litigants, activists, vendors, commissions, and other parties. Some voting machines turned out to be poorly designed and capable of being reprogrammed with malicious code. Others, due to their design, would be much harder to attack, unless the attacker had undetected access to the machines.
Unfortunately, the worthwhile efforts to secure voting machines are getting mixed up with accusations made by the Stein campaign that are in tinfoil hat territory.
Some of the machines Stein contends could have been hacked by "Russians" or some other nefarious group, would require the hackers to have physical access to the machines in order to implement the software changes. It really stretches the imagination to think that either a group of ninja technicians broke into the voting machine warehouses and altered hundreds or thousands of machines (and perfectly replaced the security seals), or that the Democrat election officials in Pennsylvania were actually participating in some wild conspiracy to elect the Republican candidate.
When confronted with the actual circumstances Stein's experts fall back on complex conspiracy claims. You see, even though independent and party observers test a random sample of machines, how do you know that the election officials didn't remove the hacked code from those machines so they would pass the test? They had time between when they were given the numbers of the machines to be tested and when the tests were run! So they could have covered up the hacking.
The theories they are advancing are past speculative and into tinfoil hat territory. Where are Scully and Muldaur when you need them.
Anything versus bull would make me do a double take.
IIRC Clinton got away with a retro active tax. The Constitution specifically prohibits ex post facto law. The difference between law and tax is slender, but in fact it is a legitimate difference. So this Mi law could get by as a fee. The Constitutional prohibition was according to scholars intended to prevent a legal act from being criminalized after the fact. There is no question of criminality here, just a govt seeking to recoup what it spent on a fool’s errand. So I think this passes muster.
For us law types, Calder v. Bull is actually a very interesting case. It has all of the following:
1. Holding that the Constitutional prohibition against ex post facto laws does not apply to civil cases;
2. Holding that the United States Supreme Court does not have jurisdiction to interpret the Constitution of a State; the State Supreme Court is the highest authority (unless the State Constitution conflicts with the Federal);
3. Does not specifically state that the Court can declare an act of the Federal government unconstitutional, but infers that it can (this is prior to Marbury v. Madison);
4. In an opinion by Justice Chase, he stated that the Court had the authority to declare unconstitutional any act that was contrary to “natural law.” His language echoed the arguments of James Otis in the Writs of Assistance case in 1761. Thus was born the concepts of Judicial Activism and what became known as “Substantive Due Process,” or the judicial recognition of rights not specifically stated in the Bill of Rights;
5. An opinion by Justice Iredell rejected Chase’s analysis, saying that the Court could only declare unconstitutional an act if the act violated a specific provision of the Constitution. Iredell specifically rejected the natural rights approach because it was inherently subjective on the part of judges using it. Thus was born the concepts of original textualism and Judicial Restraint.
The debate between Judicial Activism and Judicial Restraint began less than a decade after the adoption of the Constitution, and has continued for over 200 years.
Lol! Indeed, great wisdom there.
She also wanted forensic testing on the machines. Swab for Clinton DNA? Maybe they suspect Bill had sexual relations with the voting machines. Any holes in the machines? Bill’s not picky, just wants a place to put it
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IF the left had been paying attention. IF the democrats had been paying attention. IF they had not been so doted on the scammer-in-chief-obama, ... they would have known the people between California and New York were totally dissatisfied with the direction they were taking this country.. they would have known there was a lot of anger out here... they would have known a rumble was going on and Trump, with his GO attitude, with his ears toward the people, with his sense of what was going on and how to fix it... IF they had just paid attention instead of lying to themselves, and listening to what they wanted to hear...
They would have known they were in for a deafening defeat and obama was PAST HISTORY... and all he did was going to be undone by the PEOPLE of these UNITED STATES!
Trump is going to do us all proud!!! I waited for someone like him for 8 years... who could it be... who would be so strong and fearless to not be controlled by Washington.... I feared our country was never going to be AMERICA again...
It will as long as someone like Trump is at the helm... this isn’t hard to do... it just takes someone who is not owned by the establishment and who isn’t afraid to stand firm and strong, in all the crap they throw out. I can’t think of another person who could do this... so Thank You God for sending ... President Elect Trump!
(It’s so fun to watch the media trying to control Trump... and he just goes on another day after day... being the man he is... and nothing phases him... nothing seems to bother him.. he comes up with ideas that confounds the media... they have tried to unhinge him... they throw it all .. and he pays them no mind.. it’s awesome to watch!)
I agree. I see Trump as the only form of a third party candidate we could win with.
“what do they think is going to happen if they attempt a coup?”
As long as the blood of the innocent is spilled in large quantities, their boss is happy.
The only evidence of voter fraud they have found so far is by the Democrats which is why these recounts were halted.
That is hilarious, while what the demon of a man has done to his own people is grievous
I’m wondering how that guy who stole a propaganda pennant out of that hotel in Pyongyang and got fifteen years for it is doing?
Putin snuck in in a black jumpsuit with his floppy disks and corrupted the vote.
I was thinking of a 5” floppy disk that was actually floppy. It would be funnier too since it is older tech. 1970’s stuff...
I had a feeling the way this would end would be that Stein would never be able to show her face in Michigan without facing arrest.
It looks like it could happen!
I’ve heard those small discs called floppy as well since the inside of them are floppy disks but I understand about the larger one being a floppy. The size reduction and increase capacity of memory chips are amazing.
Correct. They are very limited in their ability to apply an ex-post facto law.
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