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Speaker Ryan Retreats on H-2B Visa Outsourcing Program
Breitbart ^ | 12/7/2016 | Neil Munro

Posted on 12/07/2016 12:31:19 PM PST by conservativepoet

GOP leaders, including House Speaker Paul Ryan, have quietly ended an unpopular 2015 program to annually outsource another 198,000 blue-collar jobs to lower-paid foreign workers.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: employment; h1b; h2b; immigration; jobs; ryan; trump; trumpstillwinning; trumpwinsagain; visa; winning
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To: Degaston
My guess is that at least 85% of the H1B visas are granted under fraud.

That seems a bit high.

I think there's a place for immigration programs as long as they are administered correctly. A friend has had a worker from Japan working under OPT for about a year. Says she's the best worker he's ever had. On time, polite, good work ethic. The person is highly compensated, so it's not a job where they low-balled a salary for a foreign workers.

He has had problems with American workers (but he's also had more of them).

As far as foreigners on any visa program taking jobs away from US citizens, you won't find any non-US citizens in defense contracting jobs - US citizens only. And they are begging for workers. It's a sector that is ripe for the picking if qualified motivated US citizens want to do the work. I know a college grad who had with ME/AE degrees. He said the foreign students were by far harder workers in courses. But they're never going to do DOD work.

81 posted on 12/07/2016 3:15:01 PM PST by Fury
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To: Buckeye McFrog

we actually have public, tax-payer supported colleges going to Communist China and elsewhere recruiting foreign students to come here!

in some cases, these foreigners take up spaces that “should have gone to Americans”

in other cases, they consume resources ($$$, space, etc) that should have gone for American students.... such as 33 sections of English for Foreigners while NO Shakespeare classes are offered

if a foreigner wishes to study here, let him or her apply ......and we can then discuss how many can be admitted without hurting American students or Americans who want to study but can’t get in or get the classes they need because all the seats are taken. BUT FOR GOODNESS’ SAKES let’s stop OUR public servants from screwing us and our children by flying off to Red China and recruiting/bringing back their students to take up spaces in our American schools


82 posted on 12/07/2016 3:22:30 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

When it comes to each visa class, what I would do:

* For all retained classes, strong security clearances would be involved with a heavy lean towards Western countries. Anyone with suspected ties to terrorism (regardless of country) or from a country with terrorist connections would be denied and banned from any kind of admittance.

A - Maintain

B1/B2 - Maintain; require for all except for cleared citizens of Canada, Bermuda and some Caribbean countries (eliminate the Visa Waiver Program)

C - Maintain/streamline (C-2 should become A-4)

D - Maintain

E - Reduce/make requirements stricter and limit to certain countries

EB - Maintain EB-1 and EB-2, make EB-3 conditional on lack of demand, eliminate EB-4 and EB-5

F - Make requirements stricter and prioritize; western countries with assimilation easier get first priority

G - Maintain

H - Eliminate (H-3 should become J-3)

I - Maintain

J - Maintain, although they must be of national interest to get accepted

K - Toughen standards and ensure eligibility in another category (to eliminate fraud and to prevent illegals from using the category)

L - Eliminate

M - Eliminate (technical programs should be focused on Americans finding work)

O - Maintain

P - Eliminate P-3; maintain P-1 and P-2

Q - Maintain

R - Maintain

S - Maintain (with higher priority as long as not fraudulent)

T - Limit to certain countries

TN - Carefully adjust numbers to ensure reciprocity (so the number used is neutral) and require graduate degrees to be eligible (not undergraduate degrees)

U - Maintain (with higher priority as long as not fraudulent)

V - Eliminate

Green Cards - Eliminate


83 posted on 12/07/2016 3:28:44 PM PST by SouthernerFromTheNorth
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To: conservativepoet

The writing is on the wall.


84 posted on 12/07/2016 3:39:29 PM PST by DarthVader ("These lying tyrants are about to get hit with a tsunami of destruction on their evil reign." Gaffer)
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To: Fury

No I think 85% is about right on how much of it is based on fraud. I’ve worked with plenty of H1B visaholders (on the same team at some point in time of at least 200 or more total in all the various projects I’ve worked) and I’d say that less than 5% of the ones I’ve worked with had any special skills that would warrant such a visa in alignment with the intent of the program.

I’ve done plenty of DOD contracting work myself, especially when I lived in Fairfax County, Virginia. At the time our county had the highest average household income in the country of any county. That’s because the generous taxpayers around the country had voted in a bunch of congresscritters to implement huge income sacrifices for everyone in order to build up gigantic corps of federal aristocratic bureaucracies to control the lives of the peasants throughout the country and to enrich those in the murky Potomac swamp who had learned how to get gigantic returns on investment in what I call “K Street Influence”. That’s the money spent on lobbyists, persuading media, synergizing stakeholders, armtwisting, fake news, campaign contributions, and other sorts of “bribes” to do good things for the special interests while screwing over Americans. Well along the way the people living around the DC area have been able to cash in on more-than-average wealth (if they did good timing & manage their finances wisely).

Well not everyone thinks we should establish an aristocracy around the National Capitol. Some think we should drain that swamp so Americans can have real freedom instead of an oppressive ever-growing bureaucracy of overlords around DC.


85 posted on 12/07/2016 4:37:12 PM PST by Degaston
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To: RitaOK

But, but... Cruz offered the Gang of Eight a quintupling of that 65-66,000 figure, recommending increasing it to 350,000.

No wonder this great moment is on the QT, with two heartless big mouths, like Ryan and Cruz, silenced for once.

I’ll have more of that, please.


It is a beautiful day...Keep ‘em coming!!! :)


86 posted on 12/07/2016 7:06:00 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: Bulwyf

What’s the scam with h1-b?


Many aspects of the scam...

Once Example: US companies (Disney, McClatchy, Cargill, MIcrosoft, Qualcom, Edison, ToysRUs) are bringing in foreign workers to replace US workers and having US workers TRAIN their replacements then the companies require the replaced employees to sign forms indicating they won’t discuss what happened (gag orders?!?!) in order to receive their severance packages.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/25/technology/disney-h1b-workers/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/lawsuit-claims-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html

http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2016/03/displaced-american-stem-workers-spur-senate-hearing

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article81676692.html


87 posted on 12/07/2016 7:19:02 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: conservativepoet

When can we get rid of the ones already here? This only stops extra ones from coming in on this program.


88 posted on 12/07/2016 7:41:59 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: conservativepoet

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not tired of winning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


89 posted on 12/07/2016 8:23:57 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Absolutely true. It’s been a long time since Reagan. THIS is why Republicans opposed Trump - Trump proves Reagan wasn’t a fluke.

With Trump in office, you can’t get elected to Congress, coast 20 years, cash in on insider trading tips, and then leave. I guarantee you he’s going to shut that down to if he has to write the bill himself.

Nothing is more hypocritical than Congress being allowed to trade on inside information. Call the bill the Martha
Stewart Apology Act.


90 posted on 12/07/2016 8:34:53 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: DoughtyOne

AND even before he is sworn into office!!!!


91 posted on 12/07/2016 9:21:59 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cowboy Bob
"8? Try 28."

RO-GER THAT!

After the revitalizing breath of fresh air that was Reagan, things just turned south and kept rolling.

"Read my lips..."

The Clintoon eons (it seemed)...

Then out of the Bush/Gore recount debacle a flicker of hope...

Bush at ground zero surrounded by firefighters and other rescue workers, declaring "I can hear you, and soon the whole world will hear you!"

But a fatally-flawed success metric led to a wildly-premature "Mission Accomplished" and -- dare I say it? -- an ensuing decade of sociopolitical Iraqi quagmire.

And then there's that monstrous DHS thing, No Child's Behind Left, or whatevertheHell that was, and by the time McCain ran anyone bearing the GOP label could have been beaten in a landslide by Brer Rabbit's Tar Baby.

Which is a fairly accurate portrayal of what really happened as the flicker of hope was snuffed by sneering sloganeers touting "Hope and Change."

And the changes we got -- OY VEY!!

By the time Trump came downstairs and said he'd decided to run, nearly 100,000,000 able-bodied, employable American's were outta work, and the only hope they had left was that there might still be some change hidden between the cushions on the sofa.

Twenty-eight years stuck on stupid has left me cynical that this will last; it's like a dream -- I keep pinching myself to see whether I'm really awake. I keep being surprised at more winning moves, and more positive fallout, and there's this knot in my gut -- because you know how twenty-eight years trains a soul to know that good is always betrayed by its purported allies -- as I keep waiting to see who's playing the role of Judas Iscariot in this picture.

And I so VERY much want to believe, but...28 long, arduous, painful losing, frustrating, soul-eating, America-demolishing YEARS...

Are we REALLY through with it? Is this guy REAL?

DEAR GOD I pray so!!

92 posted on 12/08/2016 12:32:11 AM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin; JBW1949; DoughtyOne; All

Then there was 2008-9 as I watched GE stock drop from $40 down to $5. Then I looked at my proxy package and saw that the top 7 executives were all paid between $11 and $22million during the years in question. Grrrr.


93 posted on 12/08/2016 12:34:46 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: knarf; Cowboy Bob; DoughtyOne; All

That was also the era when top CEO’s were only being paid about 40 times what their low level workers were paid. Currently it is anywhere from 200 to 1,000 to one. It was also the era when top level taxes were far higher than today. Note in the chart that from 1940 to 1963 top level taxes were above 80% and 2/3rds of the time above 90%. The only levels as low as those we have had in recent year were in the 1920s just before the great crash.

http://s158.photobucket.com/user/OnlyObvious/media/Tax_Rates/TopTaxBracket_TaxRate.jpg.html


94 posted on 12/08/2016 12:50:40 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: marron; Qiviut; All

In a lot of cases I think what happens is that an extended family pools their resources and sends their brightest young person to the US to get a start, then they start to come over and get set up in similar businesses with money from the first one who came.


95 posted on 12/08/2016 12:55:31 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: bushwon; All

When I visit the small town of Chincoteague, VA, every summer there are Russian girls working in the super markets. The winter population is so small there are not enough teens to handle the summer beach influx of tourists.


96 posted on 12/08/2016 1:02:22 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

I think you are right. I was just thinking of a Korean family who owned dollar stores and convenience stores in our town, they were opening up branches and bringing in family members to run them. Very entrepreneurial people.


97 posted on 12/08/2016 4:07:47 AM PST by marron
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To: knarf

He did say we would be winning so much we would be sick of winning. I didn’t think it possible but now I’m not so sure, losing maybe once or twice would make life seem more normal, but you know not too much losing.


98 posted on 12/08/2016 5:28:18 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hillary Clinton IS a felon.)
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To: conservativepoet

Trump is already president, not Ryan, not 0bama, not Jarrett.


99 posted on 12/08/2016 5:50:34 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Drain the swamp. Build the wall. Open the Pizzagate. I refuse to inhabit any safe space.)
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To: knarf

Draining the Swamp!


100 posted on 12/08/2016 7:49:15 AM PST by MGunny
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