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1 posted on 12/06/2016 2:31:55 PM PST by george76
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agree


2 posted on 12/06/2016 2:32:46 PM PST by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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Completely agree - need to repeal the 17th.


3 posted on 12/06/2016 2:34:28 PM PST by rigelkentaurus
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Bump!


4 posted on 12/06/2016 2:34:34 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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Yep.

That plus the 19th screwed us forever.


5 posted on 12/06/2016 2:35:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Good morning President Trump)
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Living in MA I’m going to have to think about this a bit more.

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6 posted on 12/06/2016 2:37:10 PM PST by Mears
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Link seems to be broken - Article here:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/amy-furr/law-prof-17th-amendment-altered-constitutional-system-checks-balances


7 posted on 12/06/2016 2:41:35 PM PST by monkeypants (It's a Republic, if you can keep it.)
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But, but...slavery. Jim Crow. Lynching.

States can't be trusted to take care of minorities. Only the federal government cares about them.

After all, look how much better off they are now than they were when the Civil Rights Act was passed.


8 posted on 12/06/2016 2:42:26 PM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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He’s exactly right.


10 posted on 12/06/2016 2:48:46 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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I was a firm believer in this when I chose my screen name.

But over time, I have come to believe that we would likely end up with many of the same problems, and the same Senators regardless of whether they were chosen by the legislatures or the voters.

Our real, underlying problem is the grip of the political parties. Though Trump's victory is a major win against party power, and may lead to some changes.

11 posted on 12/06/2016 2:49:21 PM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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Not news.

Glad this guy finally figured it out. Now if the rest of academia could figure it out...


13 posted on 12/06/2016 2:56:02 PM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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bttt


15 posted on 12/06/2016 3:04:29 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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17 posted on 12/06/2016 3:05:16 PM PST by SeeSharp
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Correct. 17th Amendment should be repealed. ALL of the “Progressive Era” (1900-1920) amendments should be repealed. So far only #18 is gone.


19 posted on 12/06/2016 3:06:35 PM PST by NorthMountain
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100% correct it disenfranchises states.


20 posted on 12/06/2016 3:08:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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The amendment made it easier for Congress to pass legislation, which eventually led to the massive growth in federal power that the states are still grappling with today...

Is that really true? Or was it just that people didn't want that much legislation before Wilson and the Roosevelts came along? Cleveland and Harrison didn't want to do much legislation-wise, and voters didn't want Congress to do that much either.

Twenty years later, voters and the people they elected were in a very different mood. One of the things they wanted was popular election of Senators, but if they hadn't gotten it, wouldn't they have gotten their way through the old system, as they did under the new?

If the Senate hadn't become popularly elected, another amendment probably would have reduced its powers, since bodies that weren't popularly elected tended to be regarded as not fully legitimate in the 20th century. When we were passing the 17th Amendment, Britain was restricting the powers of their unelected House of Lords. Something similar could have happened here.

And if we go back to the old way and let state legislators choose their US Senators, the power of the Senate would probably be reduced. Countries that do allow bodies that aren't popularly elected to have a say in legislation usually make it clear that those bodies are second class in comparison to the popularly elected house.

21 posted on 12/06/2016 3:09:46 PM PST by x
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Duh


24 posted on 12/06/2016 3:11:23 PM PST by South Dakota (We need a real independent investigation of Bill/Hillary and Obama's actions)
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Absolutely!


25 posted on 12/06/2016 3:12:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Congratulations, President Donald J. Trump! - Let's MAGA!!!)
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The 19th amendment made it easier for legislation to be passed. Hugely.


27 posted on 12/06/2016 3:14:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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"The rubes" have been stating this for decades and nobody listened.
I guess you have to have several college degrees before you're listened to.
29 posted on 12/06/2016 3:15:58 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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It also deprived the states which did not ratify it of their equal suffrage in the Senate, in direct violation of Article V, which forbade amendments that did that.


30 posted on 12/06/2016 3:18:54 PM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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