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Here's why rural Ontario is fading and cities aren't (Out of touch urban elitist in Canada alert)
Ottawa Citizen ^ | Madeline Ashby

Posted on 12/06/2016 9:41:06 AM PST by SouthernerFromTheNorth

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To: RegulatorCountry

Right. It’s not a decision that is made on an individual basis, but the city only exists because there are advantages of scale there.


21 posted on 12/06/2016 10:12:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Reeses
People that live in the exburbs consume far less total energy and create far less pollution than city slickers.

I'm not sure I agree with that. When you factor in the cost of building and maintaining infrastructure in rural areas to serve small populations, this equation may tip heavily the other way.

22 posted on 12/06/2016 10:14:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

Urban concentrations arose due to trade advantages that led to employment opportunities, drawing people to fill the jobs. Then came the parasitic policies. It’s exactly like fleas on a dog, or banks being robbed because that’s where the money is.


23 posted on 12/06/2016 10:14:58 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SouthernerFromTheNorth

Why? Because the laundered Chinese money pouring into Toronto real property market


24 posted on 12/06/2016 10:20:25 AM PST by Rebel2016
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To: Alberta's Child
“Rural Ontario” is different than rural areas of the U.S. As you make your way up the Ottawa River valley you find that most of rural Ontario is forested with rocky soil. Combined with the cold climate, it’s not conducive to agriculture at all.

For all you geology/geography fans out there, you just described the Canadian Shield, the part of Canada that was covered in glaciers in the last major Ice Age. (All of Ontario, most of Quebec and the Labrador part of Newfoundland are in the Canadian Shield.) Indeed, you can see the from the air the demarcation between the maximum extent of the glaciers and fertile farmland in the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Indeed, the farmland south of the Canadian Shield in the provinces I mentioned are some of the richest farmland in the world when it comes to growing staple grain crops.

25 posted on 12/06/2016 10:21:28 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Alberta's Child
Cities always have an advantage of economies of scale. This means that many products and services cost less in cities

What costs less in a city? An economies of scale graph is a curve, not a line, and has an optimum, beyond which costs go up.

The optimum population density on a number of measures is around 400 people per square mile, not 400,000.

26 posted on 12/06/2016 10:22:44 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Your post #9. On Canada's electoral system.

The electoral system is almost exactly the same as UK system. It is called unofficially "First Past the Post" system. Your comment very topical, because the newly elected Liberal Party have "sworn" to end it. Possibly for proportional representation. Big debates going on now.

Canadians vote locally for a candidate of a political party. That winning party has already picked out a leader. A small meeting of a few hundred members decides who leads. If that party wins the general election- that leader gets to be Prime Minister. He or she has only to win election only in their own district. I have never been able to vote for or against a Prime Minister elect in 60 years of voting.

27 posted on 12/06/2016 10:24:22 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: SouthernerFromTheNorth

I think that the author has no abikity to create things of value, so therefore must live in a liberal envirinment where others can pay her to produce verbal drivel and she can imagine that she is a productive member of society.

It might pain her to realize that the garbage collectors pruduce more value for city dwellers than she does.


28 posted on 12/06/2016 10:25:28 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Reeses
What costs less in a city?

Triple bypass surgery, to give just one example.

Put together a list of things that you can't even buy outside a metropolitan area to understand the underlying point here.

29 posted on 12/06/2016 10:26:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Da Coyote

Yes, yes.

Ability and produce.

Hate finger typing on an iPad.


30 posted on 12/06/2016 10:26:41 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: RayChuang88
Exactly. For some reason I've always referred to it as the Laurentian Shield. I've taken a few long road trips up through that area.
31 posted on 12/06/2016 10:28:19 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: RegulatorCountry

The whole article screams of Agenda 21 and the author has no idea what Agenda 21 is. Green Acres is a better environment for human species as well as the other animals.


32 posted on 12/06/2016 10:31:37 AM PST by WVNan
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To: Alberta's Child
When you factor in the cost of building and maintaining infrastructure in rural areas to serve small populations, this equation may tip heavily the other way.

For very small populations, you are correct that it is not economical anywhere in the world. You can simply look at the total cost of something to determine fairly accurately how much total energy was consumed by it. There's no escaping that cost is ultimately a reflection of total energy consumption. It's very easy to determine by the higher cost that electric cars are currently less green than traditional designs. That organic apple at the grocery is more expensive because a lot of other apples were lost in production and more total energy was wasted. Almost always higher cost means more energy was consumed somewhere in its lifecycle, and more pollution was generated.

33 posted on 12/06/2016 10:33:26 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Reeses
Right. One big challenge there is that it isn't always easy to allocate at a local level the costs of infrastructure that is financed through external sources of revenue.

Think of a town located next to an interstate highway. The highway helps facilitate the cost-efficient transportation of products to the town, but the residents of that town could never afford to pay the cost of building the highway themselves.

34 posted on 12/06/2016 10:39:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
Put together a list of things that you can't even buy outside a metropolitan area

Amazon.com delivers everywhere in a day or two and their inventory dwarfs the selection and prices of big city stores.

Medical costs have been driven to insane levels by too many lawyers and politicians. Typically the CEOs of pharmaceutical and medical device manufacturers are lawyers, not doctors. They have to be.

35 posted on 12/06/2016 10:51:29 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Reeses
Amazon.com delivers everywhere in a day or two and their inventory dwarfs the selection and prices of big city stores.

Amazon delivers very little of their own product. UPS and FedEx deliver for them, and those businesses are built entirely on economies of scale.

I agree with your point about medical costs, but there's no doubt that hospitals in rural areas wouldn't offer specialized treatments and procedures because they don't have the volume of business they would need to justify the cost of building the facilities and buying the equipment.

36 posted on 12/06/2016 10:58:33 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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When a Torontonian explains things, that’s when the confusion begins.


37 posted on 12/06/2016 10:59:11 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (Listen for my radio call-in program on channel A in your brain, yes caller ... I'm listening)
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To: SouthernerFromTheNorth

There is a certain level of inbred thinking to assume that the inability to go to a “gay pride” event would impact anyone’s choice to live anywhere.


38 posted on 12/06/2016 11:05:40 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Alberta's Child
“Rural Ontario” is different than rural areas of the U.S. As you make your way up the Ottawa River valley you find that most of rural Ontario is forested with rocky soil.

I have gone on fishing trips near Red Lake, Ontario which is about 1200 miles to the northwest of Toronto. The main businesses are gold mining, lumber, and fishing resorts. There is not much else going on. The people in that part of Canada have more in common with the the people of Winnipeg, Manitoba which is a few hours to the west.

39 posted on 12/06/2016 11:11:48 AM PST by EVO X
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To: RayChuang88
Indeed, the farmland south of the Canadian Shield in the provinces I mentioned are some of the richest farmland in the world when it comes to growing staple grain crops.

The entire U.S. state of Michigan is made of the fertile topsoils that were scraped off of the Canadian Shield and dumped in their current location by the glaciers.

Merci!


40 posted on 12/06/2016 11:22:23 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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