Posted on 12/06/2016 5:14:25 AM PST by RoosterRedux
Again, how bizarre that colleges audit high-school diplomas by giving college-entrance tests (their theory being that straight A’s from Selma High school in California’s Central Valley are not comparable to straight A’s at the Menlo School in the Silicon Valley), but the schools themselves are not audited. Surely higher education would not object to a national college-exit exam as a requirement for receiving a bachelor’s degree. Call it a smaller version of the bar exam, or perhaps a reverse SAT or ACT test.
Passing an exit exam would help ensure education consumers that tens of thousands of dollars in borrowed money, per student, at least led to quantifiable or demonstrable knowledge on a nationally shared basis, necessary for an informed, participatory citizenry.
Comparative pass rates also might inform parents whether sending children to Stanford really does guarantee liberal education in a way that a B.A. from nearby less expensive San Jose State University might not. (If President-elect Trump wished to carry out his promise of ending more regulations before enacting new ones, he could, before mandating college-exit-exam rules, cancel the executive-order regulations from the Education Department that rob students of their due-process rights).
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I know a lot of college students. Very, very few would pass a serious college-exit exam.
When I was homeschooled I thought my schooling was ordinary. Then later I thought it was an advantage my contemporaries missed out on. Then I started visiting college campuses (mostly for the libraries), and realized my home education was extraordinary.
The typical milly now (pardon the word play) micturating in college is hopelessly ignorant of history, inept at English, brainwashed in psychology, sociology, poli sci, and/or economics, and learning less than nothing in philosophy, journalism, and teacher ed.
And they go deep into debt for the privilege.
Exit exams will never be accepted practice. Never.
Are you kidding me? Do you know what’s going on at our universities right now? Environmental whackoism is being taught in EVERY discipline, including the so-called “hard sciences.” You need to trust me on this.
For example, there is a major move to “dis-establish” so-called “western” math and chemistry as “just one” approach and to institute “non-western” approaches (virtually entrail reading and witchcraft). The engineering, biology, and chemistry departments are being overrun with greens and anti-population people. Hellk, in 1972 I had a biology prof rant about overpopulation and the need to limit human reproduction.
No, I think you are gravely mistaken if you think the sciences and engineering are safe. This would make it far worse.
WOW. I thought that was a five year stay. At least it was for me. I even got the coveted 0.0 one semester. Next was 3.4 so I got the most improved average for the frat. Some of the guys were pis$$d as they had no hope of catching me.
remove the politics from testing? Bah humbug. VDH is stepping in it again. Right now AP study books, courses, and exams are being revised to include a favorable view of guess who? And at the expense of guess who? Might work for the hard sciences, but that isn't exactly where schools are cheating their students.
I would like Sony to offer free certified degrees using PlayStation VR.
Once this dam is broken I would estimate that 3/4 of universities will fold.
Remaining will be forced to provide specialized degrees.
Loony left will be frozen out of education.
VDH ping ...
Make those degrees come with a relatively stringent exit exam and the universities will go bonkers. As they fold...
Are you kidding me? Do you know what’s going on at our universities right now? Environmental whackoism is being taught in EVERY discipline, including the so-called “hard sciences.” You need to trust me on this. For example, there is a major move to “dis-establish” so-called “western” math and chemistry as “just one” approach and to institute “non-western” approaches (virtually entrail reading and witchcraft). The engineering, biology, and chemistry departments are being overrun with greens and anti-population people. Hellk, in 1972 I had a biology prof rant about overpopulation and the need to limit human reproduction. No, I think you are gravely mistaken if you think the sciences and engineering are safe. This would make it far worse.
First, any changes take a *long* time to see. The college industry moves sloooooooowly. By definition, it's on a minimum four year cycle - even if there was an earth-shattering permanent change in enrollment right this second, it would take at least four years to fully see its affect.
Community colleges will likely do OK. They generally offer education in real fields at a more affordable price. People are willing to take a half-dozen actual "Basket Weaving" classes on consecutive Saturdays for 90 bucks, vs four years of (metaphorical) Basket Weaving classes for $90,000.
The canary in the mineshaft is the diploma mills. Think "ITT", or pretty much any school that you see advertising heavily on TV. As Gov't funding dries up (and it is already....) these places will go under, first.
The second-tier schools - think non-flagship State Universities, or "Safety Schools" - will be a mixed bag. IF they specialize - think, "The University of Delaware at Podunk has one of the world's best programs in Medieval Feminist Literature" - and make major cuts, they may do all right.
What surprised me the most in Higher Ed, though, was the fact that the faculty and staff have no concept of "Zero Dollars". The budget is just something accounting complains about once a year, then they go away. When gov't funding dries up and enrollment goes down substantially, they'll continue on with business as usual. If the second-tier schools don't make some pretty serious adjustments, they'll hit the financial wall like a bug hitting a windshield. The results will not be pretty.
Finally, the flagship State Universities (think UCLA, Nebraska, Georgia) and the top tier private schools (think Stanford, Duke, MIT) will likely be fine. They have an unimaginable amount of fat to burn through before they start feeling a financial pinch. Now, granted, when the 3rd Associate Dean of Student Diversity, and her attendant staff, all get laid off - there will be much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. But the layoffs will happen and the school will go on unaffected.
That's my 2 bits. YMMV.
It's overpriced--and exams won't do jack squat about that.
This is the rationale for k-12, not higher education. If you have't got that citizenry badge by age 18, the jig is up.
God bless and keep you along with your very wise and wonderful parents. I’m always thrilled and gratified whenever I happen across an appreciative homeschooler’s post.
I realize you likely had to forgo intraday peer socializing in order to gain your superior education, but looking back, I’ll wager you know the trade-off was worth it in gold.
Require all institutions of higher learning to “hire and employ” an equal number of CONSERVATIVE and LIBTARD professors.
YES, QUOTAS!
Break the stranglehold!
Stop the radical-Left indoctrination of our children!
Your post 32 is much better than post 33!
don’t see the need for exit exam if every individual class
was tested and classes built upon each other.
We have universities and schools now that test every class pretty much. And you can see the results. Some of the snowflakes are dumber than a fencepost and half as useful.
A final, exit exam would ensure that they had adequately mastered the entirety of the material. Additionally, if someone could pass the final exam without taking all the classes, he or she would still be shown as having learned the material and thus graduated.
#29 I googled: 3rd Associate Dean of Student Diversity
There are many Diversity hires listed!
I am glad I saved lots money by not going to skoool.
Engineering, medicine, mechanics, electricians etc, I want those people to go to a real school. All other jobs can be learned on the job.
They have become great re-education camps for the masses. Fascism, totalitarianism, real McCarthyism flourish in these camps. True free and open minded thought is verboten. I work in one of these and there is an underground, a resistance of a sort against the forces of evil that run these camps.
You quickly learn with who and where you can talk freely and where big brother is listening. And when you find a student with an open mind you point him or her in the direction of the few instructors who talk about freedom and liberty.
I have noticed some of the older instructors who for years pushed their liberal policies are now becoming frightened of the little monsters they have created because these snowflakes are turning on them. I have even had one or two of these instructors comment to me about it and I just throw it right back in their face, you created this monster, how does it feel to be under attack for simply expressing an opinion and then ask them how they feel about the remnants of the 1st Amendment is it what they hoped for? The result they are retiring in haste to escape from being called a racist, homophone, xenophobe etc... when they are some of the biggest leftist to ever suck air in a pair of lungs.
What absolutely convinced me I could not stay even another year was when I taught summer school last year and fully HALF the students were either Muslim or Chinese-—many with horrible English skills. This is a CATHOLIC school, and there were groups of women in FULL BURQAs!
Wow, a 0.0 - an amazing achievement!
I never quite managed that, but I did score a graduating 2.7 cumulative of which I’m rather proud...
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