Posted on 12/05/2016 10:16:36 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
Jill Stein is asking for recounts in an effort to nullify the electoral votes of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
Federal law says that presidential recounts must be completed within 35 days after an election. Stein waited until 90 minutes before the Wisconsin deadline for filing a recount petition expired.
All the votes have to be certified by December 13 according to a report on Friday. The electors meet on December 19.
Wisconsin will almost certainly miss that deadline, since the last recount took more than a month. And that recount was for a state Supreme Court contest where only 1.5 million votes were cast.
If Wisconsin misses the December 19 deadline, the electoral votes may not be counted.
Stein is going to ask for a hand recount, which will slow the process even further.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/steins-recount-may-prevent-wi-pa-mi-votes-counted-electoral-college/
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All of this has been in the Constitution since 1787, and the plenary power of state legislatures to pick the slate of electors was reaffirmed -- unanimously -- by the Supreme Court in Bush vs. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board in 2000.
Only twelve Counties in PA can even perform hand recounts -- and even in those cases, there is no call for a hand recount anyway. The other 55 counties, with 82% of the PA population, have only DRE equipment. The only "recount" in those counties will be a check of the already electronically tabulated votes; hand recounts are not even possible.
This is fear mongering and nothing more.
Love your tagline! LOL
Trump should demand recounts in California and New York
Doubt it.
1) the results have been certified, have they not? Else there wouldn’t be a recount.
2) in general, states have laws on how Electors will be selected in case of failed elections. In 2000, the process in Florida came to light. As long as the process in used was in place prior to the election date, there is a ‘safe harbor’ which Congress has agreed it will respect. Any changes after that, and Congress is free to reject.
I think 270 votes are needed, so Hillary won’t win if Trump’s EC votes are reduced below 270. I think it goes to a vote of the US House and/or Senate.
:)
The Twelfth Amendment clearly says that the majority is a majority of the electors APPOINTED. Not 270. The Presidential election will only go to the House if there is no majority of the APPOINTED electors. Not 270, Not a round dozen, not Avogadro's Number. A majority of those appointed.
It's a moot point anyway. The state legislature is the only entity with any authority to appoint electors, and in the event of a controversy in the method they've designated (letting voters decide) they will do it themselves.
These recounts will take place at record speed. Even if amazingly these recounts caused nobody to have a majority of the electoral votes, the House would elect Trump and the Senate would elect Pence. No matter what, the recounts will not change the results of the election.
For God's sake, put the crack pipe down.
I've never seen such hysterical, irrational hand-wringing in my life.
There will be no forfeiture of any of Donald Trump's state electors, certainly not to the degree that anything would tilt towards Hillary.
This is tinfoil hat fear-mongering at its height.
If such a thing were to happen, it would trigger a bloody civil war, and, quite frankly, we're not going to be having a bloody civil war anytime soon, mmmkay?
Counterproductive flame bait...
Actually, it is a federal law that empowers the state legislatures to appoint their own slate of electors, if it becomes necessary.
This is total horse hockey. Not going to happen. Not even close to happening.
As I pointed out on another thread, MI, WI and PA legislatures are majority Republican. I do not know filibuster rules in those states but they would clearly give the electors to Trump.
Not gonna happen.
bttt
During 2000 recount, I spoke with the office of the speaker in Florida. They were prepared to meet and award the electors to bush. I expect that to happen this year if recount not finished.
Lousy photoshop...... On the original cup the handle was not painted black.
I know the MI and PA has been certified. MI had already a recount. There is no recount in PA as of now. MI a recount is going on, BUT if not finished by the deadline, the Electors will vote for Trump since a desertification process has not happened. I don’t know if WI Electors have been certified yet.
Yes, and it would result in the election being determined by the House of Representitives.
Yes, and it would result in the election being determined by the House of Representitives.
Not necessarily...
A different point of view from LS, a Freeper who has been in contact with Trump campaign and seems to know historical precedent and the Constitution.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3500777/posts
But watching the recounts and the handwringing by “concern trolls” here, I wanted to include this update. This is strictly MY understanding of state laws and the U.S. Constitution, but I think most of you share it. If, however, someone has different info, please let me know.
* The recounts really don’t matter. There are never more than a handful of votes flipped. In WI after 1 day, Trump really has about 400 MORE votes than before, as an input error in one of the precincts failed to include a digit in its original transmission, while the recount so far has “found” one additional Cankles vote.
* It is my understanding, based on the precedent of the U.S. Civil War, when several Southern states were declared “in rebellion” and therefore did not send electors to the electoral college (although Louisiana did!), the winner is determined by a majority of those states who send delegates. The only time in peacetime that a delegation did not participate was 1789 when New York’s delegation was late arriving.
* Therefore, it would not matter if one state (WI) or all three (WI, MI, PA) don’t send delegates, Trump would still win a majority of those who did.
* It is further my understanding REGARDLESS, any or all of the state legislatures of WI, PA, MI can at any time select/appoint/name the electors to attend the EC. They do not have to wait for a recount. All three are controlled by Republicans.
* MI’s AG has filed suit to stop the recount, the election board split 2-2, so the AG has appealed to the state Supreme Court. (Does anyone know if it is majority R or D?)
* On the “faithless electors”: You have heard scare-mongering stories of electors who won’t vote for Trump: These are from STATES CANKLES WON. It makes no difference. In most states, it’s a crime not to vote for the winner, and in all states electors are the creme de la creme of rabid Trump supporters. Highly unlikely any of them will flip. But again, the state legislature-—as I understand it-—sends in the electoral delegation and would have final say. Please correct me if I’m wrong on this. The last time there was a “faithless elector” was in 2004, and it was a Dem who wouldn’t vote for Kerry and voted for Silky Pony. You have to go back to 1976 to find just ONE “faithless” GOP elector who refused to vote for Ford because he pardoned Richard E. Nixon.
* I lived in OH and didn’t know that in 2004 OH’s count was protested and there was a recount and the House had to vote on Ohio’s delegation.
* IF IT GOES to the House, the House selects Trump. The Senate votes on a veep. It’s inconceivable that the GOP Senate would choose anyone but Pence.
In other words, for all the concern trolls, nothing will change. Trump is going to be president.
Now for the final concern troll mantra, “Trump will be delegitimized.” No. There is only one person who can “delegitimize” Trump and that’s Donald Trump. He WILL NOT PERMIT HIMSELF to be distracted by the drive-bys. He doesn’t care what they say about him.
No candidate in history, save perhaps Lincoln, has had such a view of the media. They simply cannot threaten, cajole, or scare him. Think of McConnell, Boehner, McCain, Ryan-—how these guys are so terrified of the media. Trump doesn’t care. They still don’t get him. This victory tour is a prime example-—who else does this? Bush certainly never did, and I don’t recall Reagan ever doing so.
So, long and short: President Trump will be sworn in, on time, on schedule. He won’t be “delegitimized.” America will be great again, and we will have a book documenting it out in January!
From lunchtime on Monday:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3501636/posts
To: blam; 1_Rain_Drop; 3D-JOY; Abbeville Conservative; Abby4116; acoulterfan; Airwinger; ...
Because I’m so sick of these “OMG, what if” threads, I asked TEAM TRUMP direct:
What is your confidence level you come away with these (recount) states?”
Answer: “1000%”
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