Posted on 12/05/2016 9:16:09 AM PST by upchuck
...This election day, California voters tightened gun control, extended taxes on the rich, hiked cigarette taxes, legalized marijuana, boosted multilingual education — and of course provided Hillary Clinton with all of her winning margin of 2 million popular votes, and then some, in her losing campaign for president...
Secession talk is more valuable as a pointer to all the ways that California and federal policies are likely to come into conflict during the next few years than as a formula for practical politics.
California has been among the national leaders in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and as recently as September strengthened its policies with a law mandating the reduction of climatologically harmful emissions to 40% below 1990 levels by 2030. Its auto emission rules traditionally have set a benchmark for the auto industry and federal regulators.
During his campaign, Trump dismissed climate change as a Chinese hoax and pledged to withdraw the U.S. from the Paris agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which already has been ratified by 113 of the 197 signatory countries. The U.S. ratified the agreement by presidential order on Sept. 3.
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California is probably the most corrupt state in the USA. The bullies in the "blue" counties dominate the working class in the "red" counties. Their voting system appears to be rigged, full of illegals, and set to be Communist/Democrat for life.
As a youngster I always wondered by the union boss was constantly re-elected, until I learned that the unions have rigged voting systems, union opponents always had bad luck or accidents. California must be a union state.
Yes! I for one support Komiefornia’s Independence!
San Fran has always been a basket case but now its suburbs are nearly as bad. The LA suburbs such as Orange, Riverside and San Bernadino were once heavily Republican. Not so now. San Diego has also flipped. Sacramento was once competitive but has gone far left as well. The only sane area now is the NE region from Redding down to Tahoe. Fresno is still competitive. Sadly, if not for the illegals and anchor babies, the state as a whole would still be close. I’m afraid most is irredeemable now.
Trump should demand a recount in CA.
Yes! Secede or let’s throw them out of the Union. Either way works for me, just as long as California is gone. And I say that as someone who was born and raised in California, though I had the good sense to get the hell out of there in the late 1970s. The Democrats have utterly destroyed paradise, and that’s just one of the many reasons I despise Democrats.
Any bets on how long it will take California to end up with a lifetime dictator if they secede?
As a separate country, California will be heading towards huge population growth caused by open immigration from around the world. Many whites, except the elites and welfare recipients will move back to the other 49 states. Tax rates and regulations will sky rocket. The industrial base will disappear. Silicon Valley will become a corporate haven for the executive group living in gated communities. Expansion by any companies in the Nation of California will occur in the United 49 States of America or internationally. The new bullet train will be available to transport citizens to the new welfare offices around the new Nation. Total gun control will be enforced and the crime rate will skyrocket. All cities will become Sanctuary Cities and Government Universities will be free and will also become Sanctuary Universities. Government pensions and salaries will increase dramatically. Black lives will matter tremendously even more so than any other lives.
I don’t mind if this happens as long as I have enough time to sell my home and business and relocate elsewhere.
Which those of us in the 51’st state “THE GREAT STATE OF JEFFERSON” would refuse.
About 3.5 million.
Nah; they would just fall under the conditions of Gitmo.
If they have no respect for our immigration laws or our identity theft laws, why would they have any respect for our election laws?
I suspect that the turnout for illegal aliens was a higher pecentage than the percentage of citizens. They know they are a protected class so they have no fear of breaking the laws. The laws simply don’t apply to them.
Accede when it joined, secede when it leaves voluntarily. What is it called when a group just kicks it’s sorry ass out of the group?
LA Times again doling out sympathy, not journalism. Dealing with the errors, lies and hatred would take pages that I have neither the time nor would Jim Robinson allow.
Let’s not bother deporting the illegals; arrest the officials who defy the law. The illegals will self-deport once the governor, mayors and school officials face charges of not complying with federal law and encouraging others to do likewise.
Those who are in such an uproar over President-elect Trump have only themselves to blame for his election.
Almost correct. The Constitution says that two-thirds of those present voting in the affirmative shall approve a submitted treaty. So 67 if all 100 Senators are present, some other number if less than 100 Senators are present on the floor of the Senate chambers when the vote is taken.
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Treaties are not “ratified”. They receive concurrence by a minimum of 2/3 of the senators present. (Art. II, Sect. 2, Para. 2)
Amendments are “ratified.”
I see you are 5th MEB,is this MEB located in California? I find it odd that Marines would rather be stationed in a Gitmo than in one of our states, even if it is a socialist basket case.
Someone who has been stationed in Gitmo, probably wouldn’t agree with you.
Oh hell no !!! We been thru this before in the 19th century this will be the 2nd time in our nations history that DEMOCRATS have advocated secession ie breaking up the country because they are butt hurt over a election loss. The members of the California govt KNOW BETTER. The dopes will be involved in open insurrection against the United States .
If they are dumb enough to go thru with this martial law should be imposed in California any state govt. elected official who supports secession (regardless of party) should be arrested tried for treason & hanged .
I was 1st Battalion 12 Marines 3rd MarDiv at Smedley Butler, then in late 69 or early 70 we went to the 5th MarDiv, then to the 5th MEB, then to the 1st MarDiv at Camp Pendleton.
I got out just before they went to Kaneohe Bay Hawaii.
Don’t know if they are still there, it was along time ago for me.
Yeah; we liked overseas duty stations, of course the rules were a lot different back then.
Could it be that California interest in “states rights” does not extend beyond its own borders? When its influence on popular vote can effect other states adversely, that’s OK. But when the sum of other states electoral votes affects affects California, that’s grounds for separation.
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