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Italian Referendum: PM Matteo Renzi Suffers Heavy Defeat, Exit Polls Suggest
BBC News ^ | 12/04/2016 | BBC News

Posted on 12/04/2016 2:37:41 PM PST by goldstategop

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To: ari-freedom

The 17th is mob rule.

By this logic we would have President Hillary Clinton.


61 posted on 12/04/2016 5:08:25 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: goldstategop

Does this mean that Grillo from the 5 Star Movement will likely become PM? He’s a Eurosceptic, but where does he stand on the migrants? I know he’s a big environmentalist and claims to be neither on the right nor left. I wonder what Salvini and La Lega Nord’s prospects for the future are. He’s the one who’s big on stopping mass immigration and terrorism.

Viva l’Italia libera!


62 posted on 12/04/2016 5:25:46 PM PST by FenwickBabbitt
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To: kabar; goldstategop
Reducing the parliament is a good idea, but I think we should keep our eye on the ball, which is the destruction of the EU.

That wasn't going to happen if an unelected pawn of Brussels remained in power.

63 posted on 12/04/2016 5:27:57 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane
Reducing the parliament is a good idea,

The majority of Italians did not think so.

The EU was doomed from the beginning. Brexit is the start of the unraveling. The nation state remains the predominant political unit. Since WWII, the trend has been the emergence of more and more nation states. Tribalism is the norm, not political and economic unions.

64 posted on 12/04/2016 6:03:16 PM PST by kabar
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To: C210N; ari-freedom

“Ummm... yes, keep the electoral college, but NUKE the 17th. Vaporize the 17th. The worst thing to befall this republic.”

My thoughts exactly. It was one of the “progressives’” biggest victories against America.

Perhaps ari-freedom was referring to another amendment?


65 posted on 12/04/2016 6:03:39 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: SkyPilot

Oh my.


66 posted on 12/04/2016 7:23:43 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Go TRUMP!!


67 posted on 12/04/2016 7:36:45 PM PST by WENDLE (Cruz for the " Scalia seat" !!!!!)
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To: C210N; ari-freedom; treetopsandroofs

Agreed. The 17th was the biggest mistake ever made in favor of progressive control through abolishment of state representation and their equal suffrage in the senate by direct election of senators by the populous.

The 17th effectively dissolved the union and our republic.
The 17th removed state representation and effectively abolished State rights and sovereignty.
The 17th gave each citizen in their district (3) votes, (1) for a representative and (2) for the senate. The senators no longer represented the states interests and now answer to the general electorate.
The 17th grew the influence and power of the general government by removing the the states ability to restrict it.

Repeal the 17th! Restore Federalism!


68 posted on 12/04/2016 10:00:18 PM PST by Bellagio
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To: Mariner

Sounds like the people have made him an offer he can’t refuse! ;)


69 posted on 12/04/2016 11:45:49 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: ari-freedom
Note to GOP: leave the 17th amendment alone. It is just fine along with the electoral college

That is some of the most twisted logic I have ever read. The 17th allows the big cities to choose our States' Senators. The College prevents the big cities from electing our Nation's President. Phooey!

Repeal the 17th!!!

70 posted on 12/05/2016 7:09:24 AM PST by houeto
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To: GOPsterinMA

“The Globalists were all in on this. They’re tanking almost as bad as Krapernick these days...”

Ther Globalists are getting cremated, and this is only the beginning.


71 posted on 12/05/2016 7:32:54 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Scottishlibertarian
Im expecting the markets to fall drastically by something like 2000 points before rebounding after a few hours. You gotta love the smell of financial markets burning in the morning.

The Dow is up 87 points at the moment.
72 posted on 12/05/2016 8:01:07 AM PST by Deo volente ("Our Independence Day is at hand, and it arrives finally on November 8th." Donald Trump)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Praise God!!!


73 posted on 12/05/2016 9:41:17 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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