My Experience with the Alt-Right

Townhall.com ^ | December 4, 2016 | Bruce Bialosky

[Zionist Conspirator]

Now you’re a member of #BLACKLIESMATTER. How times change.

Ordinarily I wouldn't even respond to such a childish and inane comment. But since you're defending something you obviously know nothing about . . .

The Birch Society was founded by eleven men, one of whom, Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, was a mouth-foaming anti-Semite who later broke with the Society because they didn't make the anti-Semitism of their conspiracy theory public. He was also an atheist, btw.

The Birch Society's main founder, Robert H.W. Welch Jr., was a member of the Unitarian Church, an evolutionist, and basically a totally secular civilizationist.

The Birch Society for years hawked copies of anti-Semite Nesta Webster's poisonous garbage, and did so with illegal pirate copies because the true copyright holders of her works--Britons Publishing Society--was out-and-out Nazi.

The Birch Society published three books by the Romanian Iron Guard sympathizer Prince Michel Sturdza. The first two actually had to be bowdlerized in order to cover up the anti-Semitism but both these books are still fanatically anti-Israel.

Other than one brief period under Begin, the Birch Society was always hostile to Israel and never at any time supported it the way they did Rhodesia, South Africa, Nationalist China, Franco Spain, Salazar Portugal, Papadopoulos Greece, etc., despite the fact that worldwide Communist propaganda lumped Israel in with all these countries. But Birch commentary always treated Israel and its Communist Arab enemies as being morally equivalent. As far as they were concerned, Zionism was simply part of "the conspiracy."

The Birch Society for years "unofficially" promoted and distributed a nasty attack on Fundamentalist chrstianity entitled The Rapture Cult. There is, of course, a whole chapter on how Zionism and Israel are part of the "conspiracy" (which apparently Rhodesia was not, despite having been founded by an alleged "insider").

The type of people who belong to or support the Birch Society may be learned by going to The New American web site and reading viewer comments: such as references to "Jewish insiders," "matzah munching oligarchs," and claims that we fought on the wrong side in World War II. In fact, TNA is more anti-Israel than its predecessor publications ever were during the time I was a member.

As for "Black Lives Matter," this won't make any difference to you, but I am the biggest critic of Black/Hispanic/"minority" political behavior on this site . . . sometimes going so far that I've wondered why I wasn't banned. I'm absolutely merciless with these Leftist racialists for the same reason I'm merciless with Rightist racialists: they worship something other than G-d.

And finally, I have been defending America's rural white Southern Fundamentalist Protestants and opposing evolution and higher criticism on this forum since the day I first signed up over seventeen years ago. Can you say the same?

So much for you.

[Lonely Are The Brave]

They are around on sites Alternative Right, VDARE, American Renissance and The American Mercury. Put a strong emphasis on Western Civilization & American culture with strong anti-immigration stance. On the Southern Poverty list of hate groups.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you're talking about and have no interest in debating these issues.

Run along and play now.

[Jack Black]

You wrote: The first use of “Alt-Right” appears to be this year.

I respectfully disagree with you, and I shall present my evidence.

For instance, here it is a July, 2010 page at View from the Right, where I first encountered it. VFR was run by the late Lawrence Auster, who had many problems with the Alt-Right, but called them that all the time. As they called themselves that at the time, elsewhere.

Note that besides it's use in the title it is used about 10 times in the long series of respones Auster published, many of them by other readers, again demonstrating that it was widely used at least as far back as 2010.

Article from View from the Right: MY PRELIMINARY RESPONSES TO THE ALT-RIGHT SYMPOSIUM ON ANTI-SEMITISM AND THE FAR RIGHT

I wonder if Google is working to suppress "Alt-Right" in some way?

Several people, besides you, have made the same claim.

I have been on these sites (mentioned here and my previous post) and familiar with these terms for many many years. I can assure you they were in common use well before 2016.

[firebrand]

ping for later

[Zionist Conspirator]

They are around on sites Alternative Right, VDARE, American Renissance and The American Mercury. Put a strong emphasis on Western Civilization & American culture with strong anti-immigration stance. On the Southern Poverty list of hate groups.

Yes, because they don't believe in G-d. To them religion is merely an aspect of ethno-culture with no objective truth claims whatsoever.

One of their heroes (and that of the "palaeos") is the notorious H.L. Mencken who referred to Southern fundamentalists as "gaping primates who believe degraded nonsense." This is the hero of people who now claim to be those same people's "friends."

[Jack Black]

In November 2008, Paul Gottfried addressed the H. L. Mencken Club about what he called “the alternative right”.

Thanks! I know that he says he coined the term, or jointly coined it with Spencer.

Spencer, of course, claims sole invention. He's an egoist, so not surprising.

A great article about Paul Gottfried was published recently in the Jewish (liberal) periodical Tablet. Here is the link:

The Alt-Right’s Jewish Godfather: How Paul Gottfried—willing or reluctant—became the mentor of Richard Spencer and a philosophical lodestone for white nationalists By Jacob Siegel.

It provides a pretty good history of the Alt-Right, too for anyone else still on this thread who would like a well written piece on them by someone outside the movement who is actually trying to report, not throw rocks.

There is some giant irony there -- that the leading new-age anti-Semitic philosophy has a Jewish godfather. All the fashy neos, worrying about Jewish influence and control are actually echoing an old Jewish professor. Someone upstairs has a sense of humor.

[Jack Black]

Yes, because they don't believe in G-d. To them religion is merely an aspect of ethno-culture with no objective truth claims whatsoever.

Broad un-substantiated generalizations. The Alt-Right contains many devout Christians. Jared Taylor himself is the child of missionaries and a Christian.

There is a whole line of articles about restoring the Church to pre-eminence in the West among some Alt-Right people. In particular many of the nRX (neo-Reationary) movement make claims for these sort of ideas.

[HotHunt]

...."Please don’t use the term main stream media anymore...."

Well, after admonishing me against using the term mainstream media, which I never did use to begin with, you go on to use the very same term at the end of your own comment. Good for you but not for me?

To be clear, I used "MSM" not mainstream media. It stands for Mendacious Spurious Maggots.

As you can see, I have moved on in my terminology already. :-)

[Chode]

personally i view the Alt-Right as a blend of these posts

i always looked at it as the new young right, there are millions of them, definitely not GOPe types, maybe too young to be a TeaPartier but sick to death of the status quo and that just scared the sh!t out of the left so it HAD to be demonized

self identity is OK and they should NOT let the left frame the narrative or the movement
46 posted on Sunday, December 04, 2016 3:27:36 PM by Chode

racist is what the left SAYS it means
look at what they said about the Tea Party, same-same

some racists call themselves Alt-Right, they are also the same ones that call themselves REPUBLICANS

i refuse to let the left frame the narrative
55 posted on Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:03:19 PM by Chode

I’m glad I read all the way through. Just like some of us older folks have embraced “Deplorable” - the younger generation (my kids - millennials) have grabbed onto the alt-right label. I view it as mainly internet stuff (hence the “alt-right” label), often in-your-face, some foul language, but also getting the facts out to the younger generation in a way they can relate to. I haven’t seen any of this “white race” stuff.

“Not your father’s Buick.”
53 posted on Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:01:06 PM by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)

The alt right is the Politically Incorrect right

We have had a right that has been politically correct..and this political correctness itself is defined by the left

This it root of the term “cuckservative” a hybrid of conservative and cuckold (an emasculated man )

So in effect alt right is the right unchained from PC any PC.

So it is the wild west a new frontier. Mostly good characters..but like any New Frontier there’s some unsavoury characters at the fringes...

In a way is a mirror of the internet when it started or this site when is starting first completely open and later we had to cull out some of the fringe characters.... this is typical of any new movement or Revolution...
54 posted on Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:03:08 PM by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)

[Fantasywriter]

If you want to visit a large, thriving and very active community of Alt-righters, just click on the link below (The_Donald subreddit). It may take you a while to get acclimated to them. They are gung-ho conservatives, but not in our mold. They have their faults, but racism/white supremacy isn’t one of them. They are the very antithesis of racism.

https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=false

[Impy]

There is nothing linking this tiny, irrelevant group of people with Trump, other than the fact that a few of them said they supported him.

Meanwhile the commies endorse the democrats (as usual) and crickets chirp.

[cynwoody]

Command-Left doesn’t fit with the PeeCee crowd.

It should be Windoze-Left.

[Titan Magroyne]

bmfl

[wastoute]

Created. The irony is, Pepe, the frog was the image the 4chan millenials adopted in their anti Hillary meme war. Hillary spent millions trolling these kids trying to disrupt their activities. They recognized the effort by the “Correct the Record” trolls and labeled them CRT trolls. The ironic thing about all this, if you spend some time on the board there you realize the CRT trolls are the ones posting the racist stuff. So, in reality, the racist label Hillary’s shills apply is due to the troll disruptors she paid.

If you spend any time on the 4chan board you will realize it.

[yuleeyahoo]

You mean gossiping with like minded individuals inside your echo chamber is insufficient research for an article about a movement of which they no nothing? Who knew? /s

[Morpheus2009]

Thanks, I don’t bother with 4chan, so I wouldn’t know.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you Jack.

I appreciate you relating this to me. Isn’t it interesting the general public doesn’t hear about it until 2016. You and some others have heard of it, but here on Free Republic nobody has. (perhaps a person here or there, but very very few)

When it is aired, the descriptions or implications are these people are racists.

Let me clarify something. There is no such thing as “FAR” Right.

If you go beyond center ground, are you still a Conservative? Are you still backing sound Founding Father, and Founding Documents such as the U.S. Constitution, principles? No. And thus you are not a Conservative.

You have doubled back to thoughts that are not consistent with our Founders, our Founding Documents, or our core beliefs.

You are wound up back on the Left.

Centrist ground is smack dab in the middle of the spectrum. It does conform to our Founder’s beliefs and the documents they provided to us, to frame this nation. It’s very important we stick to them.

When someone starts talking about some sort of ultra this or alternative that, they have veered off the beaten track.

There’s nothing Ultra or Alt about sticking with the Founders and the Founding principles.

Racism is a Leftist ideology. Conservatives consider everyone equal. They don’t back special programs. They back equal access. PERIOD!

In an instance where inner cities have decayed, it is reasoned to focus on them to fix things, but only in so much as their assets (education & opportunities) return to a healthy situation. Then they fend for themselves.

We do this by encouraging investment in the area, reducing crime, getting adults to do productive things such as working and being parents to their children.

Anything that ventures into racism, dividing people, class or racial warfare, is not a Conservative tenet. It is not some sort of Alternative Right.

There is no alt-right. It’s a conflict in terms.

[ek_hornbeck]

Alt-Right is an invention of the left to attack Trump. Apparently a handful of white supremacists are using the title to get publicity. I think it’s a chicken-or-egg thing over who came first.

The Alt-Right is just the latest bogey-man that groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League use to justify their existence, and a convenient guilt by association name to invoke when criticizing conservatives who advocate the National Question.

From what I can tell, the alt-right is mostly made up of young, trolling troublemakers online who get a kick out of making remarks that are perceived as "racist and sexist." That doesn't a political movement make, much less grounds for hysteria.

I'm not at all surprised that the Left tries to make a phony threat out of these guys, because it's a great way of distracting attention from genuine radicalism and racism (groups like BlackLivesMatter, La Raza) that are attached to the Democrats. What bothers me is that many in the GOP establishment and "movement conservatism" have started to mimic the Left's hysteria over alt-right, as though alt-right is somehow a greater threat to America than the Left (alt or not).