Posted on 12/01/2016 8:21:17 PM PST by Nachum
Can’t be appointed until the vote is certified - otherwise Clinton’s appointed electors would count, too!
They failed to steal the election before the election so now they’re maneuvering to steal the election after the election. The election is over. This will not stand.
THE CONSTITUTION
Article II
Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows ****Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress:**** but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
Maybe Illinois Freepers need to go round them up from Clock Tower (where they were before) and drag them back across the state line ;)
Did a bunch of FReepers get a hold of some bad grain, or what?
Not going to happen. This is just more hyper-spastic hysterical "The sky is falling" crap from people who prefer strife and turmoil to enjoying God's promised blessing.
The surest way to convince God to remove His blessing is to spit on it with mindless negative speculation, and refusing to relinquish your petulant addiction to worst-case-scenario prognostication.
Cut the crap. The grown-ups will send you to the kiddies room.
Gateway Pundit. Ignorant click bait. It’s got to be some kind of disinformation venture of the DNC.
My response from the thread I started a few days ago:
FR MASTER THREAD: Recount info and updates for Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin
12/1/2016, 11:45:43 PM · 146 of 146
doug from upland to WildHighlander57
I have two calls in to the Speaker of the House of the Wisconsin legislature. I am working on a piece about this or trying to get a national reporter to do it.
In 2000, I spoke with the Speaker’s office in the Florida legislature. If the recount was not solved in a timely manner, they were prepared to hold a session and award the electors to George Bush.
Here are Electoral Instructions - https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/roles.html
1. Appoint Electors
The United States Constitution and Federal law do not prescribe the method of appointment other than requiring that electors must be appointed on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (November 8, 2016). In most States, the political parties nominate slates of electors at State conventions or central committee meetings. Then the citizens of each State appoint the electors by popular vote in the state-wide general election. However, State laws on the appointment of electors may vary.
Under the Constitution, State legislatures have broad powers to direct the process for selecting electors, with one exception regarding the qualifications of electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that “no Senator, Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States” may be appointed as an elector. It is not settled as to whether this restriction extends to all Federal officials regardless of their level of authority or the capacity in which they serve, but we advise the States that the restriction could disqualify any person who holds a Federal government job from serving as an elector.
If the Dems are delaying to prevent WI electors from being able to carry out their duty, I do not think they will get away with it. Both houses of the WI legislature are in the control of the GOP. I am disappointed that the Speaker’s office has not had someone return my call to give me the answer. I believe the WI legislature will be prepared to hold an emergency session and award the electors to Trump if the recount is not finished.
As you recall, WI Dems have been known for going across state lines and hiding to avoid having to vote. So the question would be raised about having a quorum to take the vote for awarding electors. In WI, it is required that to have a vote on fiscal matters, it takes 3/5 of the members being present for a quorum. So far, I cannot find such quorum requirement for electors since it is not a fiscal matter.
Maybe I am not getting a return call with the answer from the Speaker’s office because they don’t want the Dems to know their fallback position.
The GOP controls both houses in the Michigan legislature as well as the Pennsylvania legislature.
The Trump electors will be certified by the state of WI under the election laws already in place. I don't think the current legislature has anything to do with it.
People are assuming that failure to complete a recount means that a state forfeits its EVs. I have asked and asked, but so far no one has been able to show a statute that says the Election Board can't certify the original count.
Could you ask the speaker what's to stop the Board from doing so?
Tactics of totalitarians, tyrants, socialists, scumbags, progressives, punks, liars, lunatics, collectivists, criminals, Clintons.
But neither is true, so the worst case can't happen. Their 10 EV's are going to get cast for one candidate or the other. Only if a recount is both fair AND shows Clinton beating Trump, does she get the 10; otherwise Trump gets the 10. There's no way the 10 votes go poof into thin air, by any reading of the US Constitution. State legislatures pick who the Electors are, and if two competing slates of Electors meet and both claim they're the Real McCoy, the US Congress has always gotten to choose which slate to certify.
One big disconnect you see in the news is that, on the one hand, we hear claims that NO WAY can a hand-recount be done by the deadline. But OTOH we see that the Wisc county clerks do seem to think they can do it, by expanding the hours and the numbers of $20/hr personnel including retired county clerk employees, way past what they did for recent recounts. Here's one example: UPDATE: Surge to complete Wisconsin's presidential recount by deadline begins
One thing that makes me feel better is that it is NOT just far-left Dane County that's chosen to do the hand recounts, but rather: "The majority of the state's 72 counties are doing a hand recount". Good. We do not want just the Dem Counties trying to discern the "intent" of a ballot that only shows votes on down-ticket races and no selection for Prez.
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(5) Certificates of election.
(a) The commission shall record in its office each certified statement and determination made by the commission chairperson or the chairperson’s designee. Immediately after the expiration of the time allowed to file a petition for recount, the commission shall make and transmit to each person declared elected a certificate of election under the seal of the commission. It shall also prepare similar certificates, attested by the commission administrator, addressed to the U.S. house of representatives, stating the names of those persons elected as representatives to the congress from this state. In the case of U.S. senators, the commission shall prepare a certificate of election for the governor’s signature, and the governor shall sign and affix the great seal of the state and transmit the certificate to the president of the U.S. senate. The certificate shall be countersigned by the secretary of state. If a person elected was elected to fill a vacancy, the certificate shall so indicate. When a valid petition for recount is filed, the commission chairperson or the chairperson’s designee may not certify a nomination, and the governor or commission may not issue a certificate of election until the recount has been completed and the time allowed for filing an appeal has passed, or if appealed until the appeal is decided.
(b) For presidential electors, the commission shall prepare a certificate showing the determination of the results of the canvass and the names of the persons elected, and the governor shall sign, affix the great seal of the state, and transmit the certificate by registered mail to the U.S. administrator of general services. The governor shall also prepare 6 duplicate originals of such certificate and deliver them to one of the presidential electors on or before the first Monday after the 2nd Wednesday in December.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/7/II/70/5/b
cite line in Constitution please?
What does “completed” mean? Is the recount completed when the time allotted runs out, even if some counties are not finished, as was apparently the case with Florida in 2000? If “completed” means that all counties have reported, then any one county can nullify an entire state’s electoral votes.
Absent any chance to turn this election over, I’ve wondered if the long play here for progressives is to destroy the Electoral College.
"Completed" is under section (a), and I don't believe section (a) applies to presidential electors. They are addressed separately in section (b).
First of all, if, and believe me , this is a big if, they were to somehow give the Presidency to Hitlery, THERE WILL BE BLOOD.....Secondly these idiots don’t realize that their idiotic behavior is going to result in MASSIVE vote reform that will end their chances of stealing elections at any level of government.
BTW, I wish people would stop looking for the “real reason” for all this, as there is none: The American Left are insane and immature and lashing out violently is their only coping mechanism.
I disagree. It is not a coping mechanism. It is the game plan.
Institute chaos. Undermine confidence. Bring down the system. Come in and fill the void with globalist agendas.
They mean it. They have tripled down on destruction of America as we know it. We must also mean it and defend ourselves and our way of life with all available, non-destructive means.
Don’t dismiss them. The staunch Dems really do take marching orders. Thankfully, not only do Trump and his people know this, they are not broadcasting their own campaign and hopefully will hit the Ds broadside in retaliation.
I read that, and it's the key phrase. However, I'll bet that there will be a court case filed about whether "appointed" really should be interpreted as "could have been appointed."
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