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Could non-citizens decide the November election? (Old)
Washington Post ^ | 10/24/16 | Jesse Richman and David Earnest

Posted on 11/28/2016 7:09:09 PM PST by bobk3

In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.

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This article above is just over a month old, but provides some evidence (thin, but believable) that illegal immigrants do vote.

Also, John Fund should be brought into this debate. He co-authored a great book on voter fraud in 2012:

Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.

Fund also authored this 2014 article in the National Review that provides more supporting evidence:

Non-Citizens Are Voting



Colorado’s Republican secretary of state, Scott Gessler, unveiled a study in 2011 showing that almost 5,000 illegal aliens cast votes in the U.S. Senate election in that state in 2010.


In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 people called for jury duty from voter-registration rolls over a two-year period in one of the 94 current U.S. district courts were non-citizens.

In 2012, a local NBC station in Fort Myers, Fla., found that at least 100 individuals in one county had been excused from jury duty because they were not citizens but were registered to vote. Hinako Dennett, who is not a citizen, told the station that she voted “every year.”


A 1996 congressional race in California may have been stolen by non-citizen voting. Democrat Loretta Sanchez won by only 979 votes, and an investigation by the House Committee on Oversight turned up 624 invalid ballots cast by non-citizens who were on federal immigration records, along with 124 improper absentee ballots. The committee found “circumstantial” evidence of 196 additional non-citizen votes that it did not include in its tally. Its investigation could not determine the number of illegal-alien votes that might have been cast: “If there is a significant number of ‘documented aliens’ in INS records and on the Orange County voter registration rolls, how many illegal or undocumented aliens may be registered to vote in Orange County?”

To demand compliance with our laws — all of our laws — requires no more of an alien than we demand of any citizen. It is a violation of both state and federal law for immigrants who are not citizens to vote. The violations effectively disenfranchise legitimate voters by diluting their votes. We can show respect for the rights of those within our borders and at the same time prevent people from violating our voting laws either through willful intent or because they were led astray by others.



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1 posted on 11/28/2016 7:09:09 PM PST by bobk3
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To: bobk3

“Could non-citizens decide the November election?”

Of course. I’d be shocked if this wasn’t routine here in California.


2 posted on 11/28/2016 7:10:35 PM PST by Pelham (the refusal to Deport is defacto Amnesty)
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To: bobk3

nope — they failed. Americans overwhelmed them. Now they need to go home.


3 posted on 11/28/2016 7:14:22 PM PST by WENDLE (Sanctuary cities are OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE!! That is a FELONY!! Ask Nixon!!)
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To: bobk3

O’Reilly talked about this tonight also. Evidently illegals can get a drivers license in CA and some states and once you have a DL, just go vote. Nobody checks.


4 posted on 11/28/2016 7:15:44 PM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: bobk3

I need to send this article to a few people who can’t get past the “Hillary won the popular vote” thing.


5 posted on 11/28/2016 7:16:28 PM PST by Mercat (Men never do evil so fully and cheerfully as when they do it out of conscience.” (Blaise Pascal))
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To: bobk3

WTF ? is Journal Electoral Studies


6 posted on 11/28/2016 7:21:16 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom Its a Joke friends)
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To: Mercat

Checking the jury selection rejections in different cities/states because of lack of citizenship should produce some useful numbers.

A lot of people don’t know that jury invitations are taken from voter pools, so some illegals show up.

But the numbers are still an underestimate because a lot of illegals (and a lot of legals) just don’t show up for jury duty or provide an excuse why they can’t make it.

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7 posted on 11/28/2016 7:21:57 PM PST by bobk3
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To: bobk3

If the not so rich world’s largest democracy has issued 780 million eligible voters photo identity cards to prevent misuse and fraud, why can’t the world’s oldest democracy and one of richest country has no such system in place, boggles my mind.

http://qz.com/197550/almost-all-voters-in-india-now-have-a-photo-identity-card/


8 posted on 11/28/2016 7:22:49 PM PST by entropy12 (Please Mr President, I am already tired of winning too much! Can we lose just 1?)
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To: bobk3

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/06/jan-brewer-absolutely-shocking-obama-would-suggest-illegal-alien-voter-fraud-will-not-be-investigated/


9 posted on 11/28/2016 7:24:18 PM PST by Dogbert41 (All the days of my life were written in your book before there was one of them!)
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To: bobk3

I guess WaPo was trying at that time to encourage non-citizens to vote and make it count.


10 posted on 11/28/2016 7:26:09 PM PST by Religion and Politics (It's Morning in America)
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To: entropy12

The Trump Administration needs to secure the legitimate vote in the next two years while we have all three houses to pass reform,. If not we will not win another election. This needs to be top priority.


11 posted on 11/28/2016 7:26:43 PM PST by growingpains
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To: al baby
description of Journal of Electoral Studies

The editors and most contributors are probably liberal and I would be suspicious of a left-wing bias, but overall it is probably legit.

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12 posted on 11/28/2016 7:26:44 PM PST by bobk3
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And here we have the fake news AP fact-checking Trumps claim of illegals voting in large enough numbers to turn the popular vote.

http://wishtv.com/2016/11/28/ap-fact-check-trump-won-presidency-but-lost-popular-vote/

“Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice.

“You would need to have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people conspiring with insiders and with one another,” Weiser said. “To keep a conspiracy of that magnitude secret is just unthinkable.”

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Whenever the AP calls some center “non-partisan”, it pretty much confirms it’s a lefty organization.

Anyone have a clue about the Brennan Center for Justice?


13 posted on 11/28/2016 7:26:47 PM PST by digger48
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To: growingpains

You ain’t kidding, fellow Freeper!


14 posted on 11/28/2016 7:28:01 PM PST by entropy12 (Please Mr President, I am already tired of winning too much! Can we lose just 1?)
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To: bobk3

Why should any non-citizen be allowed to vote?


15 posted on 11/28/2016 7:30:34 PM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: bobk3
Could a President encourage the to


16 posted on 11/28/2016 7:30:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: growingpains

I agree with growingpains.

The Trump administration has to use every weapon in its disposal — e.g. nuclear option against filibusters — and take every opportunity to fight the left-wing tyranny.

If we don’t expose them and open the eyes of the American people to their dirty tricks, they might bury us when they get the cnace.

These people don’t play nice. Trump will be making a huge mistake if he thinks that if he mollifies, placates and appeases them, they will go softer on him. They won’t go softer on him — they are determined to destroy him.

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17 posted on 11/28/2016 7:32:25 PM PST by bobk3
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To: digger48

Why would they have to conspire with each other? The system is a sieve, and motor voter opened the way.


18 posted on 11/28/2016 7:34:03 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: bigbob

So get an ID they don’t even check? Amazing how things work in CA.

Why do I see Jerry Brown coming to a sticky end as a result of those policies he’s enacting?


19 posted on 11/28/2016 7:34:52 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: lepton
Exactly.

And I just did a quick search of the Brennan Center.

Soros-funded. Even Wikipedia calls them "nonpartisan, left=leaning... The Fake News that is being put out those screaming about "fake news" would be funny if they weren't so dangerous

20 posted on 11/28/2016 7:39:05 PM PST by digger48
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