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The Historic Facts About Illegal Alien Voters (Full Research pdf)
Conservative Treehouse ^ | Sundance

Posted on 11/27/2016 9:09:37 PM PST by detective

Prior to the 2016 election President Obama used his parseltongue to encourage illegal aliens to break federal law and vote in the presidential election:

According to a recent research study as many as 2.8 million illegal aliens voted in 2008 and 2012.  Full pdf below:

[excerpt] …”How many non-citizen votes were likely cast in 2008? Taking the most conservative estimate (those who both said they voted and cast a verified vote) yields a confidence interval based on sampling error between 0.2% and 2.8% for the portion of non-citizens participating in elections.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; election; illegalaliens; illegals; noncitizenvoting; sundance; voters
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The title references illegal aliens.

But legal non citizens also vote.

The number of non citizen votes is estimated to be several million.

1 posted on 11/27/2016 9:09:37 PM PST by detective
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To: detective

You’re correct. SOME non-citizens can vote in school elections, I understand. I don’t get it.


2 posted on 11/27/2016 9:19:49 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: detective

The study was an advocacy paper.

A stalking horse to try to push alien voting.

The authors fail to mention that the aliens voting in the 19th century were typically English speaking whites who were on their way to naturalization in front of a judge.

They were “aliens” only in the legal sense. And they were not voting to give themselves welfare; it didn’t exist.

We don’t want cultural, ethnic and political aliens even thinking about voting in our elections. ESPECIALLY the people from the “country” next door, who we have fought two hot wars with and who still regard our territory as theirs.


3 posted on 11/27/2016 9:26:11 PM PST by Regulator
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You’re correct. SOME non-citizens can vote in school elections, I understand. I don’t get it.

In some areas, if they pay local taxes, they can vote in local elections.

4 posted on 11/27/2016 9:30:37 PM PST by fso301
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In some areas, if they pay local taxes, they can vote in local elections.

That is meaningless if they are also on any sort of welfare.

Unless their net payments exceed the public assistance they receive, they can do it in their home country.

5 posted on 11/27/2016 10:25:20 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: detective

Correct, but is illegal for legal permanent residents to vote. This is a bigger problem than illegal aliens voting.


6 posted on 11/27/2016 10:51:46 PM PST by kabar
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To: detective

The election could have gotten even more interesting with a report that the majority of illegal votes were for Trump.


7 posted on 11/27/2016 10:56:52 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: detective

There are thieves everywhere these days.

Illegal aliens are trying to steal our country.

Hillary is trying to steal our election.

Democrats are trying to steal our money and rights.


8 posted on 11/27/2016 11:16:08 PM PST by Crucial
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To: publius911
That is meaningless if they are also on any sort of welfare.

I was primarily thinking of foreign nationals who purchase investment properties in the U.S.

9 posted on 11/27/2016 11:20:49 PM PST by fso301
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I think that if anyone is paying their property taxes they should have some say in how those same taxes are spent. I am completely at a loss as to HOW this could be workable for non-citizens, however.

By the same token, those who are NOT net tax payers should NOT have any say in how one red cent of tax dollars are spent. Anywhere. No tax paid, no vote.


10 posted on 11/27/2016 11:39:26 PM PST by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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The sample size for non-citizen voting in these two surveys is so small I don't understand how any valid conclusions can be made.

In the 2008 survey, there were 32,800 respondents.

339 respondents said they were non-citizen immigrants.

38 non-citizens said they voted (or the researchers verified that they voted).

So, based on those 38 respondents, the researchers, and the blog author, concluded that up to 2.8 million non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.

That is really hard to believe.

By the way...

I have great respect for “sundance,” the blog author.

His independent analysis and reporting on the evidence in the George Zimmerman murder trial was brilliant.

11 posted on 11/27/2016 11:41:23 PM PST by zeestephen
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/11/02/do-non-citizens-vote-in-u-s-elections-a-reply-to-our-critics/
“Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections? A reply to our critics.”

http://ww2.odu.edu/~jrichman/NonCitizenVote.pdf
“Do Non-Citizens Vote in U.S. Elections?”


12 posted on 11/28/2016 12:10:47 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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$12k a year per kid!! That’s for k-12, which we also should not be supplying to illegals! Forget about welfare. Also, what about prisons? Even if wifey works hard all day long and pays taxes, and sneaks in her vote, if husband is serving 5-10 for dealing coke, we are also paying his illegal arse with food, air conditioning, full gym... I have no idea how much we spend on a prisoner per year but it’s still something. OTHER COUNTRIES DONT PROVIDE THIESE THINGS FOR ILLEGALS. We need to wake the bleep up.


13 posted on 11/28/2016 12:19:15 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: detective

Ping


14 posted on 11/28/2016 12:40:49 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: iowamark

The left breaks the law in order to eliminate the law.


15 posted on 11/28/2016 2:41:02 AM PST by exnavy
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The left breaks the law in order to eliminate be in control of the law and administer justice to whom they wish to enforce the law upon.
16 posted on 11/28/2016 3:02:32 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: detective

Bookmark.


17 posted on 11/28/2016 3:33:01 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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18 posted on 11/28/2016 4:02:32 AM PST by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: detective

Will we never learn? The focus on ILLEGAL aliens gives readers the impression that it is OK for legal aliens to vote.

The reality is that there is far more vote fraud by natural born citizens than by aliens.

There is far more vote fraud by legal aliens than by illegal aliens. But granted, this vote fraud is dwarfed by that of natural born citizens.

It is natural born citizens (usually taxpayer funded navigators) who register people to vote, including both citizens and non-citizens. When these newly registered do not show up and vote, it is then these same navigators and their organizations who vote on behalf of both the citizens and non-citizens who they registered.

Please, understand the role of community organizer, the role of navigator, the role of a ground game. Please, understand that community organizers and navigators get their funding based on their results in primary and general elections.


19 posted on 11/28/2016 4:04:57 AM PST by spintreebob
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I keep saying this: The US is the only western democracy that allows this level of vote fraud to take place. One of the priorities of the Trump administration must be to address this problem. There should be two goals:

1. Voters must show photo ID at the polling station to be allowed to vote.

2. Only citizens may be allowed to vote.

20 posted on 11/28/2016 4:16:40 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Gold and Silver are real money. Everything else is a derivative)
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