Posted on 11/27/2016 4:19:20 AM PST by NYer
The recount in Wisconsin, and coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824; in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that's the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
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And I have no doubt that Michigan and Wisconsin folks will feel the same - they are flailing in their death throes and really not thinking it through. Their hubris, born of past instances where they crapped on the People and got away with it tells them that there will be no repercussions because 2 and 4 years are good 'make the People forget" periods. Trump has changed a lot more than they can allow themselves to believe....
Is New Hampshire a smaller state in terms of EVs?
Anyone wanting to know the entirety of Federal law regarding the Electoral College can go here: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html
That site has the relevant sections and amendments of the Constitution as well as all of the relevant Federal law pertaining to the Electoral College and electors.
New Hampshire has four EVs.
I agree.... however, right now Trump’s margin of victory is 74 Electoral Votes... if these 3 States do not certify the electors..... then Trump’s margin is 28 Electors.... that’s essentially means finding 1 Faithless elector from each of remaining States that Trump won to deny him a Majority.... its much easier to bribe 28 people than 74.
Its troubling..... these scumbags aren’t in this just for fun... they have a very intentional purpose.... PA is Democrat Governor....Michigan’s Gov is only lukewarm on Trump....Wisconsin and Michigan are close enough to manufacture enough ballots to flip the results.... So follow the math....
ERODING TRUMP’s ELECTORAL VOTE -
306 - PA’s 20 due to lack of certification - 286
286 - MI finds enough votes to swing the outcome - Trump now at 270
Assume Wisconsin is solid and doesn’t change. -
So now its 270 Trump - 248 Hillary ... Now without PA...Majority is 260
Hillary only needs to flip 10 Faithless Electors.... not that hard, considering they are getting death threats, etc.
Trump’s margin of victory is 74 Electoral Votes... if these 3 States do not certify the electors..... then Trump’s margin is 28 Electors.... that’s essentially means finding 1 Faithless elector from each of remaining States that Trump won to deny him a Majority.... its much easier to bribe 28 people than 74.
Its troubling..... these scumbags aren’t in this just for fun... they have a very intentional purpose.... PA is Democrat Governor....Michigan’s Gov is only lukewarm on Trump....Wisconsin and Michigan are close enough to manufacture enough ballots to flip the results.... So follow the math....
ERODING TRUMP’s ELECTORAL VOTE -
306 - PA’s 20 due to lack of certification - 286
286 - MI finds enough votes to swing the outcome - Trump now at 270
Assume Wisconsin is solid and doesn’t change. -
So now its 270 Trump - 248 Hillary ... Now without PA...Majority is 260
Hillary only needs to flip 10 Faithless Electors.... not that hard, considering they are getting death threats, etc.
We know the count has been honest. We know that because;
HILLARY DIDN’T WIN!
Does anyone think the threats on the electors will change their minds?
A great reply to Why?
Let this leftist act be a lesson to all conservatives: The left acts and “puts their money where their mouth is.” The left is highly organized and moves like a choreographed ballet. The left never surrenders and if defeated on any given issue regroups and attacks. The aforementioned are part of the reasons the left is in almost total control of business, churches, media, academia and cultural expression. We must ORGANIZE & FIGHT!
They don’t even need to flip them to Hillary. They just need a third recipient of electoral votes to create a contest in the House.
No - and they don’t think a recount would change anything - making the States not meet deadlines would potentially negate the votes of those States, effectively disenfranchising the voters of those States. The intent would be to try to claim that trump didn’t have enough electoral votes to equate to a mandate and/or say he was selected (by the Congress if all three States were nullified) instead of being elected.
These state WILL certify their results by Dec 13th whether any recount is completed or not.
The Feds cannot intervene.
Maybe something even more nefarious...?
Recounts ‘find’ votes. States flip. Our half of America goes off. Bozo declares martial law, suspends inauguration.
Far fetched, I know
That said...
History shows us that no tyrants are ever deposed without bloodshed. They are not going to leave quietly.
Won’t most Americans be disgusted by what they’re willing to do to our electoral process and how many millions they are willing to spend just to score brownie points against the legitimately elected President of the US? Can’t we frame this as an attack on the American system?
I don’t think that’s their end-game.... I think they see a way to thread the needle to put Hillary in the White House.... Flip Michigan ... get PA (with Dem Governor) to not complete the recount... removing their electors from the count..... then you only need 10 Electors to flip.... would Soros even think twice about blowing $10 million in an off-shore account to each Faithless elector?? I think not.
They have no chance at delegitimizing a Trump Presidency with making the House determine the election.... the American people wouldn’t even understand it. The end-game is to get Hillary into the White House.
Which is why I am a little confused by those who keep saying “It is only a scam”.
Clinton plays to win. They are hoping to flip the results.
O can declare martial law and cancel all he wants. His term still ends of January 20, and Speaker Ryan becomes Acting President if no other alternative is chosen. Federal paychecks and disbursements would be issued under the authority of the Acting President, not under the authority of the leader of an attempted coup or revolution.
Ok so no one hits 270. Trump doesn’t need to:
“The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.” 12th amendment.
She STILL loses and no it doesn’t delegitimize Trump: it simply disenfranchises the voters in 3 states.
Thats really “accepting the outcome” and “making sure our votes count...”
Lying bastards. I hope and pray Trump gives these people the back of his hand and just ignores them completely. They are lower than the bottom of a pile of excrement.
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