After he and fellow guest Jan Baran agreed that there isn’t an actual law that prevents Trump from being involved in his businesses while in the White House but that it does present numerous ethical issues, Painter said that he informed Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway of concerns around the emolument clause."
So which time is he lying?
As these people are unacquainted with the concept of “truth” as we know it any time they speak whether they are telling the truth or lying is purely incidental and has nothing to do with intentions. The truth is what they say it is because they say it.