Rand Paul: Will Donald Trump betray voters by hiring John Bolton?

Rare.us ^ | November 15, 2016 | Senator Rand Paul

[BlackElk]

I can't wait to hear what the latest birdbrain in the Paul Dynasty (in their own warped minds) is going to say when the Islamofascist loonie tunes that he consistently butt smooches and tries to protect blow up a shopping mall in Louisville and kill a few hundred Kentuckians. He should shut his yap when that happens since he has forfeited any right to respond. He forfeited when he joined his idiot father on the paleoPeaceTrain.

Since they wants to have the USA adopt a policy of sitting around with its collective thumb you know where waiting for the disaster rather than DOING something about it, Ron Paul and Rand Paul should make any American sick.

[BlackElk]

Actually, we need not shed American blood. That is why God invented Ohio Class submarines. Death on a massive scale from the sky. No American casualties at all. Why do you imagine we have to protect one group of Muzzies from another? Obozo and Hillary and Kerry have left us with the solemn obligation to disarm or totally eliminate Iran and not to protect any known Muslim.

With all of the phobias being expressed lately around here over the mere possibility of military action, why do I get the impression that the Birchers have made inroads?

[BlackElk]

Then one questions how they are defined as the “right people” since they sure sound like people who need to be at least irritated and then crushed politically. Somehow it seems out of character for Trump to be a peace creep or otherwise anti-American in ANY way.

[Alberta's Child]

I don't see any "phobias" here about possible military action.

We're just tired of these stupid, expensive, destructive and pointless military campaigns that have now lasted longer than the U.S. involvement in both World Wars, the Korean War, and the Civil War -- COMBINED.

John Bolton wouldn't want to send an Ohio Class submarine anywhere as part of a military campaign. You rain death on a massive scale when you're trying to defeat an enemy, not build an empire.

[ilovesarah2012]

Bolton is one of the few who know what muslims want to do. That’s all I care about.

[ilovesarah2012]

He’s already had that gig. The UN is useless.

[BlackElk]

Bill Buckley was a long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations is a rank disgrace but there is no question that most folks who want to play a serious role in foreign policy are likely to belong and less likely to agree with CFR.

Also the ritual use of the term "globalist" bespeaks a Bircher mindset. Buckley and Whittaker Chambers read the JBS out of the conservative movement nearly 60 years ago. The JBS has done nothing to rehabilitate itself since.

[Tours]

Rand would like to keep them out of Kentucky. He is on board pretty much with Trump in regards to Muslim immigration, unlike the neocons and RINOs:

“Rand Paul Reacts To Trump’s Muslim Ban: ‘I’ve Called For Something Similar’
Paul’s legislation, which he introduced last month, is intended to prevent immigration to the United States from certain countries in the Middle East. It would have required the Department of Homeland Security to “suspend issuance of visas to nationals of countries with a high risk of terrorism” until additional security screenings could be implemented.

“And so we have examined where the high risk of terrorism comes from and it’s about 34 countries,” he continued in the radio interview. “And I would put a pause on all immigration from those 34 countries.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-trump-muslim-ban

[Lorianne]

That’s what we have been doing for 15 years or more. Defending one group of Muslims from another group of Muslims. This is what Bolton and the rest of the war-o-cons believe in .... many deaths and casualties ... for what?

So team Shia can (temporarily) be top dog over team Sunni?

Pray tell who are we going to bomb from subs?
And why? Which team did we want to win and why?

Its a religious civil war that has been going on for over 1000 years, there is no ‘win’ for us.

[BlackElk]

Hell, I would take Lucifer over Romney but it is a close question.

[Tours]

You are correct. The challenge for the West is to keep Islamic violence, destruction and Sharia Law at bay by preventing them from bring their way of life into Western Nations.

[Alberta's Child]

Bolton is one of the few who know what muslims want to do.

Really? LMAO.

If that's the only qualification you're looking for, we'd be better off with a random Trump voter from a Rust Belt state as U.S. Secretary of State.

[ilovesarah2012]

I would take a random homeless person over Romney but you know what? Neither of us has any influence on Trump’s pick so we can both laugh at each other.

[Crucial]

Bolton would be a great choice. He would be excellent for Trump because he’s tough as nails, intelligent and a good communicator. I don’t think Bolton is going to go rogue on Donald Trump. If you want someone to implement your foreign policy, then I’d say Bolton is your guy.

[BlackElk]

I don't want to see anyone respected by Pat Buchanan's Peace Creeps at "The American 'Conservative'" in this or any other administration as Secretary of State or Defense (which should revert to its original name: Secretary of WAR).

Is there something inherently wrong with the idea of a New American Century? I know it offends paleos but I trust the USA quite a bit more than I trust Osama or Obama or Hillary or the United Nations or Erdogan or Assad or any other object of paleopacifist affection.

I suspect that you would prefer someone from the Project for a New Islamofascist Century. I mean, fighting them, defeating them, annihilating them might mean (your tender ears should pardon the expression) killing the SOBs on a grand scale. Death from the sky. No nation building. No caring to establish something vaguely imitating democracy. Just Islamofascists knuckling under or dying en masse. We don't have to be fair or give the enemy a sporting chance either. They CRUCIFY children for the crime of being Christians.

Bolton is a man's man which is more than can be said of any Secretary of State from either party since maybe John Foster Dulles.

[Dalberg-Acton]

You imagine you have any authority to “read” people out of the conservative movement?

Look at the National Review now. It is nothing.

CFR members are house conservatives, aka neoCons.

[BlackElk]

I have no interest in an empire. I never knew John Bolton to have such an interest either. I DO have an interest in bringing these bastards to heel or killing them. It is up to them.

Since the end of World War II, our wars have been rendered pointless by gutless, spineless politicians who REFUSE to allow our military to WIN.

Truman fired MacArthur.

Eisenhower "brought the boys home" (now Kim Jong Porkfat has nukes as a result).

LBJ wanted to be a war POTUS without actually, well, winning. Comrade McGovern and the newly communist Demonrat Party dug in against Tricky Dick (and his "secret plan" to end the Vietnam War) until Gerald Ford could have the opportunity to surrender outright to the heirs of Ho Chi Minh,

Bush the Elder used a magnificent General Stormin' Norman Schwartzkopf to win half a war with very few American casualties to free Kuwait but leave So Damn Insane in power (necessitating a second Gulf War and a LOT more American casualties).

Bush the Younger was clearly in over his head and those of his thoroughly Establishmentarian administraitors and totally screwed up Gulf War II. Building schools is not waging war. Building temporary "democracy" is notwaging war. Exposing American military personnel on the ground to IUDs and truck bombs by unnecessarily occupying the land is not waging war. Bush the Younger seemed so willing to sacrifice the lives of American military personnel in order to spread the standards of LBJ's Great Society to the Middle East. Shock and Awe was short-lived. The misery of political incompetents visited upon our military? Not so much.

Barack Insane Obozo having dutifully undermined Gulf War II as a treasonweasel senator, continued that war and the one in Afghanistan under the usual senseless surrender monkey "rules of engagement" guaranteeing maximum American casualties lest we harm his ideological soulmates in Islamolunaticland while depleting our military resources to a dangerous level, replacing military patriot leaders with pantywaists and greenlighting Iran getting nukes. He compounded these crimes by welcoming every wannabe suicide bomber and Islamofascist with open arms and welfare benefits to bring the war here to our own country.

The troops would win every time but they were restrained and betrayed by the political whores. And YOU have nothing more serious to worry about than the possibility that we might have a man's man as Secretary of State?????

[BlackElk]

The surest way to keep them out of Kentucky is to kill them in their Middle East nests before some Demonrat idiot brings them here.

Again the abuse of the word "neocon." The neocons were (most are dead) a group of lifelong socialists rooted in New York City, graduates of City College, and mostly distinguished scholars and thinkers: Jewish thinkers like Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb, Donald Kagan, Alexander Bickel and a few non-Jews such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Jeanne Kirkpatrick. Being socialist does not mean being communist and when McGovern and the reds seized the Democrat Party and changed its rules permanently, the actual neo-cons chose country over party, joined the Nixon era GOP and waged war against the Demonrats.

The closest thing today to the actual neocons are their children like Bill Kristol who is no enthusiast for Trump but you knew that. Rand Paul was no enthusiast for Trump either. He is a paleopacifist weenie who fears that somehow, somewhere, we might fight a justified war and WIN it. He is a chip off the old blockhead.

Unless and until paleoPaulie II is willing to see Islamofascist blood shed in substantial quantity, he should have no seat at the table when policy is formed. His opinions are irrelevant. For now, he has a Senate seat. He may even do occasional good (probably by mistake). Jaw, jaw will NOT suffice against the Islamofascist enemy.

BTW, I am not a neocon. I am an interventionist and always have been. Unilateral intervention on OUR terms as WE see fit without permission from anyone. Death from the sky. No nation-building. Seize sufficient assets to pay the entire tab. Get the hell out. Rinse and repeat as necessary with increasing ferocity.

As to Rand Paul's expressed intent, he has also forfeited trust. I don't trust him any more than I trust Hillary or Obozo and for similar reasons. A simple ban on Muslim immigration will do fine. I don't know if Rand Paul has been noticing the floods of Islamofascists inundating Europe but taking in Islamic immigrants from the UK, France, Germany, Scandanavia, Italy and most of Europe wouldn't be very smart either.

I cannot imagine the surviving actual neocons having opinions on immigration. RINOs are stupid enough to think that they can use the Islamos to further suppress American wages and standard of living while Muffy's trust fund reaps the prophets.

[Bayan]

We need a Secretary of State and government that makes our enemies afraid. Bolton would be perfect. You Loosertarian foreign policy idiots can take a hike, you never have and never will accomplish anything.

[FreeInWV]

I agree. No neocon should ever serve in such a position again. It is what is wrong with the party.