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To: jpsb

There were only natural-born because that’s what the law said at the time. The law is what defines the meaning of natural-born.

All “natural-born” means is that the law at the time you were born meant that you were an instant citizen and didn’t need to immigrate here.

“Natural-born citizen” is simply a statement of what time you became a citizen. It does not state what the requirements to be a citizen are. That is defined by the law.


312 posted on 11/15/2016 9:15:06 PM PST by JediJones (Social conservatism is the root of all conservatism.)
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To: JediJones

So a person born here (US), of two NON- citizens, is a NBC? Am I reading you right?


328 posted on 11/15/2016 10:00:48 PM PST by crosdaddy
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To: JediJones

I am still amazed that after all this time and innumerable words typed, that people are STILL confused between “citizen” and “natural born citizen”.

No law passed by congress can make you a “natural born citizen”.

Your status as a “natural born citizen” was determined at the moment of your birth by your physical location and the citizenship of BOTH of your parents. (at that moment)

You must be born on United States soil, and BOTH of you parents had to be United States citizens (naturalized or native) at the moment of your birth.

If you were born in the lower 48 states by two citizen parents (naturalized or native), you are without question a “natural born citizen”.

If you were born on U.S. soil of Alaska, Hawaii, or other territories or possessions, it may depend on WHEN you were born there and the laws of those states or possessions or territories at the time of your birth.

A potential president could still have been born in Alaska or Hawaii before they became states. Different laws, at that time, might affect citizenship for individuals and parents as in the example of Obama’s mother.

Various territories and possessions have various laws in various years so that research would have to be done before a person could claim citizenship let alone natural born citizenship.

In Puerto Rico it depends what year you were born. Before or after a certain law was enacted. (don’t remember the exact details.)

On at least one island possession it depends on which half of the island you were born on.

U.S. soil is not Panama, Canada, Kenya, a ship on the ocean, a foreign embassy in a foreign country.

By the citizenship of one or both of your parents you can still be a N A T I V E born citizen (a citizen at birth), not requiring naturalization. But you could NOT be a natural born citizen eligible to the office of president or vice president.


349 posted on 11/16/2016 12:15:16 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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