Posted on 11/10/2016 7:38:49 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
YES! I asked all of my crying liberal co-workers to THANK Obummer for making this all possible.
The effort to deligitimize the election of Trump has begun.
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That’s true. But that 5% or so that the 3rd party candidates got were potential Hillary or Trump votes. Trump is going to run again in 2014 and it is important to understand the 3rd party impact.
The Dems will sort this out and will do everything they can to support candidates that will pull from Trump in 2020. Forewarned is forearmed.
Dont confuse yourself. Perot didnt help anyone. The problem in that election was Dole, all Dole, and entirely Dole. Dole was, like McCain and Romney were, the patsy that was never intended to win. Its time the Perot bashers take a step back and compare those elections and what voters were saying with what just happened in this one. No one wanted those clowns as the nominees then but the GOPe assigned them the role as villains to the victors they intended all along.
When are they finally going to add both Arizona & Michigan’s electoral votes in to his numbers? Anyone know? His final total of electoral votes from all the states he won should be 304 electoral votes. What is taking Michigan & Arizona & (possibly) New Hampshire so long in awarding him their electoral votes? ;)
Did Johnson even know there was an election?
You know that Perot ran in 1992 as well? A plausible argument can be made that his presence on the ballot cost George H.W. Bush re-election. Then we would have probably never seen billy jeff again if Bush, the Elder, had won.
I'm not sure that anyone has really argued that Perot cost Dole the election. He kept billy jeff a hair belong 50% but other than that, wasn't really a factor.
It’s not HILLARY’S fault in any way! Obviously it must be the fault of these two/s
An equally plausible argument can be made that Bush was a lousy President and inept candidate that most Perot voters wouldn't have voted for him anyway. Moreover, Bush was at best only marginally better than Clinton on a whole range of issues. The GOP establishment needs to stop blaming Perot for its own lackluster (to put it generously) candidates.
I have yet to see a liberal talking head come to terms with the implications of Trump winning several key states (OH, PA, MI, WI) that Obama won by substantial margins in 2008 or in both elections. This means that Hillary was so corrupt and obnoxious that even many Obama voters wanted nothing to do with her.
Knew? Yes, I have to admit though that for whatever reason the mention of Perot only took me back in my thoughts to '96.
That doesnt change my point, if anything it helps prove the point. People dont actually die from a fever. An infection, an illness, causes the fever and a person may die due to that complication but the fever itself was not the underlying cause. Perot was a symptom, not the disease.
Even during the Reagan administration, Bush didnt have any significant number of supporters. Remember that he was "Reagan's Johnson", the "insider keeping Reagan in line", the creepy CIA guy no one trusted. Then Reagan had to leave and it was Bushs turn.
NO one voted for Bush, they voted in hopes of a getting a third Reagan administration. Read my lips, he instantly wound up enraging everyone by breaking the one promise that put him over the top to take office. Then taking into account his weird globalist Points of Light and New World Order speeches there were few left with the delusion that he intended to do anything positive for this country.
The Elder was an insider, the representative of what we now tend to call the GOPe, the part of the disease we could all see. Bush was never "good", just for many he was the lesser of two evils. Blaming the fever that to many represented "not evil" is to miss the underlying issue entirely.
I think that we can agree that if Bush the Elder had been a better conservative and therefore candidate, the Perot candidacy wouldn’t have matter. However, Bush the Elder was what he was and therefore, as a flawed candidate, the Perot candidacy hurt him, possibly costing him the election.
Yes, reasonable and agreed.
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