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No, We Should Not Legalize Recreational Marijuana Use
Public Discourse ^ | Oct 18, 2016 | Tim Bradley

Posted on 10/28/2016 2:50:17 PM PDT by fwdude

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To: kaktuskid
"Legalization means Regulation...Alcohol and Tobacco are “legal” but heavily regulated. "

The Calif initiative that will pass in Nov allows every adult in the state to grow 6 plants in their backyard for personal consumption.

With our weather that could easily be 12lbs.

Every year.

That's NOT regulation.

61 posted on 10/28/2016 3:50:07 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: fwdude
“legalizing” marijuana will mean 50,000 pages of NEW laws and a whole new, multi-billion dollar bureaucracy to oversee them, on the taxpayer dime"

The CA initiative will allow every adult in the state to grow 6 plants in their backyard.

That costs nobody anything.

62 posted on 10/28/2016 3:51:42 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: arrogantsob

The cartels don’t sell much pot anymore, their big business is the hard stuff and bulk pseudoephedrine-the main component of meth.


63 posted on 10/28/2016 3:51:43 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: fwdude

Have you really been asleep since 1933? For the overwhelmingly vast majority, prohibition IS a settled argument. You can argue it with yourself, but no one else wants to hear about it.


64 posted on 10/28/2016 3:51:56 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: beef

For all those states that legalize pot..wait 10 years when a large percentage of those users become wards of the state-from mental damage, paranoia, and depression cause by the excessive THC levels in pot. Then we have to pay for them.


65 posted on 10/28/2016 3:58:28 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: fwdude
I do not think the FDA could be more ruthless than the DEA.
66 posted on 10/28/2016 4:01:34 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: kaktuskid
George was growing hemp for ROPE, not for smoking.

That's right, but under US Drug War insanity, he'd still be charged all the same. Not that it should matter.

The Revolution is ON! Vote Trump!

67 posted on 10/28/2016 4:02:07 PM PDT by sargon (The Revolution is ON! Vote Trump!)
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To: AFreeBird

If they’re all stoned, they won’t get up to vote Democrat, dude! Like totally, righteously, sincerely apathetic, man. Pot is stupid, but the government’s power grab is deadly serious.

It has destroyed all semblance of Constitutional restraint. I recently hit 50, and I can attest that the drug trade has not been slowed one iota by any of the draconian measures that have swept away our freedoms.

Anyone who calls themselves conservative and supports the corrupt war against citizens is a fool or a liar. Stop all the “war against x’s”; stop the leviathan.


68 posted on 10/28/2016 4:03:35 PM PDT by antidisestablishment ( We few, we happy few, we basket of deplorables)
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To: kaktuskid

Don’t forget to shake your fist when you say that.

Moral panic arguments are to be expected. More like moron panic, IMHO.


69 posted on 10/28/2016 4:05:28 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: fwdude
Marijuana is a binary effect - either you are high, or you are not. Certainly by degrees, but nothing like the slowly graduated degrees of alcohol consumption.

That is simply not true. In fact, I can attest that marijuana dosage, when you smoke it, is easier to control than alcohol in the sense that it wears off faster. Every toke is equivalent to a gulp of alcohol (or liquor, depending on the strength of the MJ), but once you're drunk, you're drunk for quite a while, but you'll only be stoned for an hour or two if you stop.

Eating the MJ is a totally different story, and people often confuse the two types of ingestion. THAT you have to be careful of.
70 posted on 10/28/2016 4:16:09 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fwdude

Decriminalized means to cease making something illegal. The US is a permissive society unless there is law specifically prohibiting something it is not breaking the law to engage in that thing. So to decriminalize is to remove laws the prohibit something. Not a hard concept to grasp. Why is it necessary to have men with guns locking people up for using drugs? Why should the government have control over personal decision to use a new cancer drug?

Moving the argument to the state level does not change the rationale at the drugs should not be made illegal. If you agree it should not be a Federal decision then good. We can continue the debate at the state level.

I will assume your reference to Sanger is to compare drug usage to abortion. I would assume your ad hominem attack is launched because reasoning has failed you. Individual drug usage does not mean the freedom to harm others. If others are harmed by your drug usage then you should be held accountable.


71 posted on 10/28/2016 4:18:31 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: CyberAnt
So, it does not stop the outsider from starting his own grove; what it does is cause some to go underground because they cannot follow the rules involved with having a legal shop.

I'm sure they can - they just don't want to. And why would they? Register with Big Brother, fill out mountains of paperwork and pay high taxes, or just grow your own garden in secret. Hmmmmm.

Also, have you ever seen the incarnation of the "legal" mj shops? I've seen them in both Washington and Oregon and it is Big Brother central. They are required by law to have many surveillance cameras around, including pointing at the sales counter, and must make those surveillance tapes available to the state enforcement agency upon request. Perhaps you can see why it might be tempting for some to bypass the "legal" means?
72 posted on 10/28/2016 4:21:21 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fwdude

“Another big difference between MJ and alcohol is that self-monitoring is much easier to gauge with alcohol. You can set a limit of one beer, and pretty much know how it will affect you, if at all.

Marijuana is a binary effect - either you are high, or you are not. Certainly by degrees, but nothing like the slowly graduated degrees of alcohol consumption.”

Sorry, but this is nonsense. “Self-monitoring” is fairly easy for both. You just have to not be a complete idiot.


73 posted on 10/28/2016 4:30:52 PM PDT by patriotred
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To: beef

How do you distinguish between Organized Crime and Government Graft? (It’s a serious question, not meant to be snarky at all. I just don’t discern any difference between the two. Anymore. One pays no taxes and the other collects them?)


74 posted on 10/28/2016 4:30:52 PM PDT by hold_muh_bier (and watch this: Trump wins in a landslide!)
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To: hold_muh_bier

What is your point? We do not have competing Quikie Marts in gun battles over who gets to sell Bud Light in the ‘hood. That is what I would like to see happening with reefer.


75 posted on 10/28/2016 4:40:56 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Gaffer

...Then after eating a pan of brownies, he runs into a stop sign because it is after him!

Just wanted to finish the story...:)


76 posted on 10/28/2016 4:44:52 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: fwdude

I’ve said it before, I’m saying it again... Pass an Amendment, or stop pretending the Constitition “grants” limited power to the FedGov. They can just do whatever the hell they want...

There is no Article 1 Section 8 power given to the FedGov to run a “War on Drugs”, FDA, USDA, or DEA...

Period. Full stop.


77 posted on 10/28/2016 4:45:22 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: DennisR

yeah.....I am not defending either, especially when it involves “negative vibes, man.”


78 posted on 10/28/2016 4:48:21 PM PDT by Gaffer (DKS, CRS, DGAS, AWS)
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To: fwdude

You can look this up. After the Civil War, there were 10s of thousands of veterans who were addicted to morphine. It was legally, freely and cheaply available. There was no crime wave because of it. Addiction was called “Soldiers Disease”. It was seen as sad that they were afflicted with that, but no one saw it as their business to tell another what to put in their body.


79 posted on 10/28/2016 4:56:22 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Half of what the federal government does is justified by a bizarre interpretation of what “interstate commerce” is.


80 posted on 10/28/2016 4:59:15 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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