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The Philippines Just Blew Up Obama's Asia Pivot [Bloomberg Link Only]
Bloomberg [Link Only] ^ | October 21, 2016 | Eli Lake

Posted on 10/22/2016 5:51:04 AM PDT by C19fan

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: asia; china; duterte; philippines; southchinaseas
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1 posted on 10/22/2016 5:51:04 AM PDT by C19fan
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Money Quote:

At the end of August, Secretary of State John Kerry told reporters that the U.S. was not interested in "fanning the flames of conflict but rather trying to encourage the parties to resolve their disputes and claims through the legal process and through diplomacy." Duterte has now taken Kerry's advice.

OUCH!!!

2 posted on 10/22/2016 5:51:57 AM PDT by C19fan
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Do anyone think the US is going to go to war with China in the South China Seas? I don’t. So pretty smart for Duterte to get the best possible deal with China.


3 posted on 10/22/2016 5:52:59 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Average voter has no idea how much of a decline the USA is in. Our standing in the world is the pits.


4 posted on 10/22/2016 5:54:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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China has been building up its de facto claims to the South China Seas for over 30 years. The US has done nothing across all the different administrations. China has the chess board ready for checkmate.


5 posted on 10/22/2016 5:55:32 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I wonder how that rude american ex-pat who lives in the PI is doing now over there.

Funny how the tables have turned on him, especially with Trump preparing to MAGA.


6 posted on 10/22/2016 5:59:28 AM PDT by Vision Thing (You see the depths of my heart, and You love me the same...)
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To: C19fan

Who knows? Maybe, maybe not.
The Vietnam war was about keeping shipping channels open.


7 posted on 10/22/2016 6:01:12 AM PDT by Original Lurker
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To: C19fan

All in a day’s work.


8 posted on 10/22/2016 6:01:47 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: C19fan; AlexW; Berosus; buwaya; dagogo redux; DFG; Doofer; Fai Mao; knarf; LadyDoc; Mark17

Two things should be said here.

First: Duterte is a crude vulgarian. He has called Obama a “son of a whore,” and picked a fight with the pope. As a politician he is often compared to Donald Trump. As a president, he has acted like an authoritarian, waging a paramilitary war against his nation’s drug users and drug dealers.

Second: Duterte’s own government appears to have been kept out of the loop about this new alliance. On Friday, Duterte himself said he did not mean to imply that he would cut diplomatic ties with the U.S., but he has not backed away from his pledge to end military cooperation with the U.S., though others in his government have suggested he will back down.

Regardless, this is a big story. The Philippines has been an important U.S. ally since the beginning of the cold war. What’s more, the Obama administration has invested in the country as part of its pivot to Asia. In 2014 the two countries signed an enhanced defense cooperation agreement. When the Philippines brought a case against China at the Hague over China’s artificial islands in its territorial waters, the U.S. supported the Philippines diplomatically.


9 posted on 10/22/2016 6:03:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it pisses people off.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Average person doesn't even know that there has been a "death grip" around the throat of the US government for a long time.

You can see it clearly with the MSM because of Trump.

10 posted on 10/22/2016 6:05:57 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: ClearCase_guy

Agree.
The Russian Reset.
The Asian Pivot.
All talk. All weakness.


11 posted on 10/22/2016 6:08:25 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: C19fan

I think there is more to this than the oceans

China is experiencing labor cost increases that affect their competitive rates.

China can outsource some jobs to the highly educated but low wage philippines.

Part of it can be about jobsi


12 posted on 10/22/2016 6:09:28 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hilary is an Ameriphobe)
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To: knarf

http://leglobaliste.com/2016/10/22/philippine-police-van-drives-at-protesters-to-break-up-anti/

Bad to worse.


13 posted on 10/22/2016 6:13:14 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: AlexW; Berosus; buwaya; dagogo redux; DFG; Doofer; Fai Mao; knarf; LadyDoc; lquist1; Mark17; ...
PIng

Here we go again.

14 posted on 10/22/2016 6:17:18 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Jus Soli + Jus Sanguinis = NBC)
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To: bert
Yes! And with that comes internal political problems that threaten the oligarchy.

This is the cause of increased military spending and classic fascism.

The word "communist" in their title is neither here or their, against the ecnonomic reality.

15 posted on 10/22/2016 6:20:21 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: ClearCase_guy
After 8 years of disastrous domestic and especially foreign polices “managed” by the Obama administration, the proverbial chickens are coming home to roost.

BO (Before Obama) the US had allies that pretty much knew they could depend on when things got rough even though this has been on the decline since 1975.

AO (After Obama) the US- has zero credibility, no respect, no direction, no clear policy, no leadership and no clear understanding of realpolitik or how the world works.

All US allies are gravitating away from the US “Umbrella” support because it ceased to exist. Even our most reliable, steadfast, loyal and stable Democratic ally, Israel has taken notice.

If Trump does not win, this trend will continue until the US us reduced to a man-child status like it's current President.

REALLY! WHO TAKES THE US SERIOUSLY THESE DAYS??? The Philippines are scared of China so they are extending their hand to them. The same is true in the Middle East. The US enhanced Iran's and Russia's ability to wage war against her. Where's the logic?

16 posted on 10/22/2016 6:27:35 AM PDT by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.)
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To: C19fan

Let’s not forget that China owns the Panama Canal too.

China has been building up its de facto claims to the South China Seas for over 30 years. The US has done nothing across all the different administrations. China has the chess board ready for checkmate.


17 posted on 10/22/2016 6:27:38 AM PDT by Dacula (Southern lives matter!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
After 8 years of disastrous domestic and especially foreign polices “managed” by the Obama administration, the proverbial chickens are coming home to roost.

BO (Before Obama) the US had allies that pretty much knew they could depend on when things got rough even though this has been on the decline since 1975.

AO (After Obama) the US- has zero credibility, no respect, no direction, no clear policy, no leadership and no clear understanding of realpolitik or how the world works.

All US allies are gravitating away from the US “Umbrella” support because it ceased to exist. Even our most reliable, steadfast, loyal and stable Democratic ally, Israel has taken notice.

If Trump does not win, this trend will continue until the US us reduced to a man-child status like it's current President.

REALLY! WHO TAKES THE US SERIOUSLY THESE DAYS??? The Philippines are scared of China so they are extending their hand to them. The same is true in the Middle East. The US enhanced Iran's and Russia's ability to wage war against her. Where's the logic?

18 posted on 10/22/2016 6:28:35 AM PDT by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.)
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To: Bogie

The Philippines, in particular Manila, have a large ethnic Chinese population segment.

Although there are Chicoms, increasingly, there are Chicaps. The Chi phils most certainly like all the other Overseas Chinese in Singapore and San Francisco and Taiwan, have been communicating with the increasing number of Chicaps to increase their internal trade.

Like you said, the Oligarchy can be damaged by such action, independent of communism or democracy. It’s business

Then there is another totally different component...... Chi youth. How ya goin to keep them down on the farm after they’ve got Daisey Mae’s ? Believe me.... the young women have them


19 posted on 10/22/2016 6:29:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hilary is an Ameriphobe)
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To: ASA Vet
Time for Washington to stop being absurd.

For example, transvestites to the bathroom rescue.

20 posted on 10/22/2016 6:29:49 AM PDT by Bogie
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