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Trump leads in these polls today yet the MSM including FOX keeps repeating that Clinton leads in national polls and battle ground states.... are they just behind or are the blowing smoke and forecasting rain while whizzing on our leg?
1 posted on 10/21/2016 8:16:36 AM PDT by DOC44
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What’s with clinton up 12 in VA?

What’s the real deal, here?

Are VA and PA competitive or not?


2 posted on 10/21/2016 8:24:41 AM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein
IBD/TIPP Tracking
Clinton 40, Trump 41, Johnson 8, Stein 4 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
IBD/TIPP Tracking
Clinton 43, Trump 41 Clinton +2

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein
Rasmussen Reports
Clinton 41, Trump 43, Johnson 5, Stein 3 Trump +2

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
LA Times/USC Tracking
Clinton 44, Trump 45 Trump +1

Georgia: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Trump 44, Clinton 42, Johnson 9 Trump +2

Virginia: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein
Christopher Newport Univ.
Clinton 45, Trump 33, Johnson 8, Stein 1 Clinton +12


3 posted on 10/21/2016 8:26:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Whatever happened to Craig Livingstone?..............)
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I think it will backfire on them. I think the Dem voters will think she has won and not show up.
Look at the silly polls. Reuters with 40% Dem and 26% Rep sample. They each get the same percentage of support from their party but he gets 10% more Inds. How can he be down 4?
Similarly with Economist/YouGov; she is up 4 but there is a +18% Dem oversample. Ridiculous.


6 posted on 10/21/2016 8:29:43 AM PDT by SteveO87
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"Trump leads in these polls today yet the MSM including FOX keeps repeating that Clinton leads in national polls and battle ground states.... are they just behind or are the blowing smoke and forecasting rain while whizzing on our leg?"

They're reading whatever the millennial on the other end of the TelePrompter types in. They are obviously biased towards their own polls, no matter how badly the polls are done.

If the national polls using landlines and live pollsters are wrong, then state polls using the same technique can't possibly be correct, either. "Trump might win the popular vote, but he won't win The State of X" is wishful thinking.

Gallup gave up polling presidential elections after 2012. Since what had been the "gold standard" with a track record of presidential election polling going back to 1936 gave up, I wouldn't give much weight to polls using the same methodology.

7 posted on 10/21/2016 8:30:54 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Every nation has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

IBD/TIPP Tracking
Clinton 40, Trump 41, Johnson 8, Stein 4 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Tracking
Clinton 43, Trump 41 Clinton +2

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Rasmussen Reports
Clinton 41, Trump 43, Johnson 5, Stein 3 Trump +2

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking
Clinton 44, Trump 45 Trump +1

Georgia: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Trump 44, Clinton 42, Johnson 9 Trump +2

Virginia: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Christopher Newport Univ.
Clinton 45, Trump 33, Johnson 8, Stein 1 Clinton +12

9 posted on 10/21/2016 8:32:15 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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O’Reilly was shouting from the top of the mountain all last week how RCP had Trump basically knocked out of the race, it was totally improbable that he had any chance. It seems he was quoting Clinton up by like 6 or 8 every segment.


12 posted on 10/21/2016 8:47:47 AM PDT by Bubba Gump Shrimp (A Liberal is someone who cannot accept that there is a Law of Unintended Consequences)
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GIGO.


13 posted on 10/21/2016 8:55:26 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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The phony double digit polls were thrown out there just to keep the average in Hildebeast’s favor. Such lies.


18 posted on 10/21/2016 9:47:23 AM PDT by Phillyred
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I think the main reason behind this long planned, choreographed outrage about Trump and election acceptance, is to give them justification for not accepting Trump’s impending victory. Think about it. Progressive riots, algore2000 times 100. BLM riots in 50 cities.

Trump’s jiu-jitsu move would be to start loudly asking NOW what Hillary’s answer is—will she accept the results if SHE loses? If I’m right, she won’t give a clear answer.


19 posted on 10/21/2016 9:59:15 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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The Arizona Republic poll is also complete crap.

D+37 53% Democrats 45% men/55% women, to show Hillary leading by 5? Seriously?

In a state with a 35R - 30D registration?

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2016/10/19/october-2016-poll-methodology/


20 posted on 10/21/2016 10:37:08 AM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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