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DIVIDED AMERICA: Seeing options shrinking, white men ask why
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | 10/20/16 | MATT SEDENSKY

Posted on 10/20/2016 6:14:16 AM PDT by artichokegrower

The voices cascade into the studio, denouncing political hypocrisy and media bias and disappearing values. Hillary Clinton is a liar and a crook, they say; Donald Trump is presidential and successful. By the time the 16th caller reaches the air, Rick Roberts' show has reached an impassioned crescendo of anger and lamentation.

What has happened to this once-great land? What has happened to the better lives our children were promised? What has happened?

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To: artichokegrower

DemocRAT Anti-America/Americans happened. Liberalism Happened. Anti-Christianity happened. Anti-Caucasianism happened.


21 posted on 10/20/2016 7:06:34 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Clintoon will be the "historical" first unindicted felon to sit in the Oval Office. Be proud!)
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To: artichokegrower
What has happened to this once-great land? What has happened to the better lives our children were promised? What has happened?

First, women were give the right to vote. Second, non property owners were given the right to vote. Third, people who contribute absolutely nothing to the economy/society were give the right to vote. Fourth, illegal aliens were allowed to vote.

This all adds up to having elected officials who try to find a way to get all those votes by giving away free stuff. The men who built this nation were emasculated little by little until we have what we have today - pajama boys running the country at the behest of some radical feminists.

I know I'm going to catch for the women vote thing but I don't care. Women rarely use logic when making a decision. Just think of how successful "it's for the children" has been in swaying policy making.

22 posted on 10/20/2016 7:10:12 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: IronJack

“LGBT people didn’t outsource their jobs.”

The very gay head of Apple, Tim Cook, has outsourced all of the Apple hardware jobs, tech support jobs, and is utilizing H1-B labor here in the USA


23 posted on 10/20/2016 7:11:31 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: IronJack

It turns out that the bond ratings were accurate, though. The Federal government came in and propped up the mortgage bond market, which effectively made mortgage bonds no different than U.S. Treasury bills in terms of their underlying risk.


24 posted on 10/20/2016 7:11:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: BJ1

Lots of truth in what you say. Women were sold a bill of goods. Originally it was, “Women should have the right to be something other than housewives, to have fabulous careers and be fulfilled!” Now, even two incomes are not enough to get by, so wives are working at jobs that are stressful or drudgery. Often they’d rather be home, but they have no choice. They get the kids up in the morning, rush them out the door, drive them to school or day care, go to work, answer to the boss all day, if the school or day care calls because one of the kids got sick or got in trouble, the woman has to take off work, and the boss is mad. Or she makes it through the work day, picks up the kids at school, (where they’ve been hanging out in after-school programs, since classes ended two hours ago,) stops off at the grocery store, dry cleaners, bank, whatever, gets home, makes supper, helps the kids with their homework, gives them their baths, collapses into bed, same thing next day.

This is not some fulfilling fabulous life. It’s stress and drudgery and barely making ends meet. And it leads to marriage stress, divorce, kids not being raised right, etc., etc.

So many of the problems people have now can be traced right back to that bill of goods women were sold.


25 posted on 10/20/2016 7:17:47 AM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: JohnnyP
1. Improvements in productivity made more and more jobs redundant and unnecessary.

2. The real estate bubble had run its course, and there was nothing else to keep the house of cards standing.

3. People literally ran out of sh!t to buy. Once you have a suburban home, two cars, and a $10,000+ home entertainment center in the den, what else do you need?

26 posted on 10/20/2016 7:18:53 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Alberta's Child
It turns out that the bond ratings were accurate, though.

But they weren't. There were mortgages in the BB and even A ratings that had FICO scores in the low 400s, no income verification, and horrible credit histories. They should have been rated Z-, but were clumped with a handful of better paper to make the offering seem more attractive.

It was a government-initiated farce, forcing banks to lend to people the banks KNEW were poor risks and then, when the bond portfolios sucked, the ratings firms just pretended it was business as usual.

27 posted on 10/20/2016 7:38:09 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: BJ1

And then you have more dollars per household chasing the same number of homes and apartments. Rental rates in most urban areas have skyrocketed. This means a man’s paycheck is not only lower, but doesn’t pay the basics of life as well as a generation or two ago.


A generation or two ago, it was possible for young families to buy a modest house, with one middle class paycheck, the father’s. Now in many places, it takes two middle class paychecks, both mom and dad working, to make the mortgage.

This is an important point which isn’t made by anyone very often.


28 posted on 10/20/2016 7:42:03 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Starboard
What has happened to this once-great land?

Liberalism.

I would argue that it is totalitarian globalism disguised as liberalism that is the problem.

29 posted on 10/20/2016 7:42:55 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: artichokegrower
why is it ok for the for Gays to be angry?
why is it ok for the transgender to be angry?
why is it ok for the women feminists to be angry?

BUT just let a white male voice concern over his station in life and he is labelled a red-neck racist, homophobic.... As I see this election.....we males have one last chance to turn this around and that is supporting Trump...

30 posted on 10/20/2016 8:22:23 AM PDT by B212
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To: B212

As the mother of 3 middle aged white men I agree.

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31 posted on 10/20/2016 8:24:35 AM PDT by Mears
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To: IronJack
You're missing the point. They WERE accurate ratings because the investors were bailed out by the U.S. government. In other words, the creditworthiness of the borrowers was irrelevant once the mortgages were packaged into bonds. At the end of the day, it was the creditworthiness of the U.S. government that was the only relevant standard.
32 posted on 10/20/2016 8:33:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Now that you put it that way ... When the government underwrote the bonds, THEY assumed the risk, so the rating became irrelevant. The government in essence promoted a massive fraud by committing taxpayer money to back up loans that were stupidly risky, all in the name of enfranchising people who had no business being enfranchised.


33 posted on 10/20/2016 9:33:39 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Common Sense 101

“I heard him [Rick Roberts] say yesterday that liberals are no different from us - asserting they “want jobs, don’t want higher taxes or open borders”... surreal.”

Rick can sometimes say things that make me think he’s a low info talk show host, despite his claim that he reads and studies everything out there.

I think to myself, “really?” The average Freeper is better informed and ahead of the curve than this guy is.


34 posted on 10/20/2016 10:15:06 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: IronJack
Exactly. The whole purpose of that scheme was to support an inflated real estate market by subsidizing the process of underwriting loans that never should have been extended.

The people buying the homes thought they were the beneficiaries of this largesse, but they weren't. The ones who benefitted were: (1) the banks, and (2) the sellers of the homes.

35 posted on 10/20/2016 10:52:49 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Alberta's Child

The sellers of the homes only benefited until the bubble burst. Then they were left holding inflated property worth 1/2 to 1/3 of what they had paid for it.

If there had been some way to bet on the short market, you could have made a fortune. A blind man could see that the market was grossly inflated, just like the fake stock market during the so-called internet bubble.


36 posted on 10/20/2016 10:58:43 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
A seller was only left holding the bag if they sold one home and purchased another one in the same inflated market.

I'm not sure how often that was the case, but keep in mind that in the mid-2000s the "seller" was often a residential homebuilder who was putting up cheaply-built houses as fast as he could, and walking away with the proceeds of the sale after paying his expenses.

37 posted on 10/20/2016 11:01:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Or they were "flippers" who basically arbitraged real estate, using an unrealistic demand and an inflated price. It was paper chasing paper, until the paper trail got too long and the whole thing collapsed. Then the too-clever-by-half arbitrageur got stuck with property he bought at the inflated level, and that he now couldn't give away.

And the banks? Goldman-Sachs, Bear-Stearns, Morgan-Stanley ... they all got burned bigly. Until they got bailed out with taxpayer money.

38 posted on 10/20/2016 11:41:54 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Under 18...leave with mom and dad
Over 18....mom and dad leave.
(You’re on your own)
The PARENTS of illegal immigrant
children are responsible for the separation, NOT US!!!
They knew the risk when they crossed the border...
Cry me a river when Democrats say I’m one for separating families...
GET THE H*LL OUT OF MY COUNTRY...


39 posted on 10/20/2016 10:55:18 PM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: Lean-Right

My Apologies...wrong post...


40 posted on 10/21/2016 9:21:02 AM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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