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So, as everyone ought to know, it's entirely legal and within the tax code to do what Mr. Trump is reported to have done and frankly, he'd be a fool if he didn't. I bet Warren Buffoon does this all the time and someone should ask him to comment, e.g., Mr. Buffoon, is this how you pay lower rates than your secretary?
1 posted on 10/03/2016 11:46:02 AM PDT by mononymous
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His old man did time at Club Fed...maybe sonny-boy will as well!
2 posted on 10/03/2016 11:48:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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This needs to be used by the Trump campaign. Very important. First of all, the great financial expertise of the Clintons couldn't help their son in law from losing 90% of the wealth of a hedge fund. This is not about building a business, like Trump, that employs people. It's about playing with other peoples’ money - and in this case losing 90% of the funds value. Second, as pointed out, they will take the tax breaks, and it won't just be one person doing it - but every person losing in that fund. Hypocrisy is always front and center with these people.
3 posted on 10/03/2016 11:57:27 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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Trump campaign can use this to reset the conversation.

My take on why Trump hasn’t released tax returns is he couldn’t control the narrative. If Hillary is running on the Marxist platform of take from the rich, her voters will not be persuaded one way or the other.

It’s the American undecided who has never filed a Schedule C, etc., that needs some tax law education. The ones who are not taken in by phony Marxist rhetoric. Now the stage is set. If Trump can be very articulate.


7 posted on 10/03/2016 12:05:48 PM PDT by The Westerner ("Giving Away the Internet or Any Part of It Is Sheer Lunacy" Jim Robinson)
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I have been somewhat disappointed that the defense of Trump using carry-forward losses seems to be based on a “well it’s legal” meme. There’s a good reason why carry-forward losses are legal ... because it’s also MORAL!

For example, if a company has 10 division, 9 of which make 100 million in profits each, but the 10th one has a net loss of 900 million, how much tax SHOULD the company pay on an annual combined net income of ZERO! And why should it be any different for losses in an earlier year and gains in later years? To do otherwise would mean a tax code that essentially confiscates the money you have rather than, over time, taxes the money you earn.

An entrepreneur who puts his own money at risk will have to pay heavy taxes if that gamble pays off over time. So of course any loss of capital in a bad year should be allowed to offset any increase in capital in future years, so that over the long term the only money that is taxed is the net increase in capital.

That’s a fairly simple concept to explain and to understand, and this would be a good opportunity for the Trump campaign to use to explain this to those who do not, to defend the MORALITY of using carry-forward losses, rather than making sound like he is excusing an unfair loophole based on mere legality.

Also, aside from morality it’s also a sound pro-growth strategy, given that nearly half of all new businesses will fail - and the rest almost always lose money for a year or more before becoming profitable. So if those carry-forward loss provisions were taken away, you’d see a sharp decline in the number of entrepreneurs willing to put a significant portion of their accumulated wealth at risk in order to start a new business, since any losses from failures or even initial-year losses could not be recouped by offsetting those against future profits.

And yes, it is and SHOULD BE different for business owners than for wage earners, since there really is no such thing as negative wages in any tax year.

This is a great opportunity to educate the public on this issue and I truly hope our side starts doing exactly that.


8 posted on 10/03/2016 12:10:52 PM PDT by zencycler
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