Posted on 09/27/2016 5:57:39 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
I apologize for the vanity, but I got an email from the Candidate's Campaign today and I responded. I told them I was disgusted by the debate and I thought she bested him, then I sent him the below.
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Only place where Trump lost was in newsrooms silent majority: 14 polls & 3.41 million votes Trump got 70% media wrong again.
That is nonsense. He bitch-slapped her pretty good during the first half of the Debate. She got a few zingers in, but most of the debate was him beating her down.
He missed a lot of opportunities to put forth better arguments, but all in all he did better than she did.
It would have been answered in a way like that but, the moderator WOULD NOT LET HIM RESPOND.
Re: Trump’s borrowed $1m /$14m : He missed the opportunity to say, “well, Hillary, you and Bill amassed $230 million while you were Secretary of State. What were you selling?”
I’m sure he’s reading it now over coffee. And laughing.
That stuff about Trump's finances is of no long term significance. People know Trump is a wheeler dealer that will take every advantage of tax code, but the issue of Hillary being a hate-filled lying criminal b*tch is something that works to Trump's advantage.
His focus should have been on her propensity to lie and deceive at every opportunity.
When they got to the end of that thing what he could have said about her complaining about him calling the fat bitch from the view names...”Well this is pretty good, an admitted felon who would call her SS detail everything in the book lecturing me on this.”
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"The Whitewater controversy (also known as the Whitewater scandal, or simply Whitewater) began with investigations into the real estate investments of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their associates, Jim and Susan McDougal, in the Whitewater Development Corporation, a failed business venture in the 1970s and 1980s."
Whitewater Convictions
Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, removed from office (fraud, 3 counts)
John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax evasion)
William J. Marks, Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker's business partner (conspiracy)
Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
David Hale: banker, self-proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant (bribery)
Ultimately the Clintons were never charged, but 15 other persons were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including Bill Clinton's successor as Governor, who was removed from office.[40]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_%28controversy%29#Convictions
or,
https://web.archive.org/web/20090326122112/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_%28controversy%29
And that is absolutely the best comeback I have seen so far. That is *EXACTLY* the point. This wealth accumulation also directly ties in with her private server scandal.
Yes, good points you bring up. On the tax question, maybe a simple answer would be that his tax attorney’s & accountants use the laws and loopholes POLITICIANS WROTE to his advantage, just as any vigilant and smart taxpayer would do.
Good response. I think he could have done a lot better.
Great list and framing. I’d add to it the issue of jobs moving out of the country. Trump still doesn’t explain it the way most people will understand, and he could do it that would also make a shambles of Hillary’s tax plan. He started down the right path when asked how he’d bring the jobs back, responding that you have to start by stopping more jobs from leaving. But the real substantive argument would be:
“Washington politicians like Hillary have created this environment that not just encourages companies to move jobs out of the country, it HERDS them out of the country. Hillary complains that the rich got richer, while the middle class was hurt. And she’s right. The rich looked at the higher taxes, and higher regulatory burdens that SHE and her kind imposed, and tied them to the soft trade deals that SHE and her kind negotiated - deals make it EASY to manufacture outside the USA and then import items back with no tariff. So the rich are fine. They have options. They’ll still make money, because their companies still make and sell products to US consumers. But the US middle-class worker lost his or her job, so of course they’re doing poorly. So what does Hillary propose? Raise the taxes even higher. Look, the top 10% of wage earners already pay over 90% of all income taxes. How much higher can they go? Just ask yourself: if higher taxes and higher regulation have driven all these jobs abroad, will even higher taxes keep that next job from leaving? Or bring any of them back? Only a fool would believe that nonsense.
The way to bring back jobs is to restore America to a competitive posture - lower taxes - both personal and at the corporate level; reformed and reduced regulations (that are just as much of a cost to businesses as high taxes); and better trade deals that don’t allow foreign goods into our country without tariffs when those countries unfairly compete, or manipulate their currencies.”
And all this from a guy who never coached a day in his life....
Trump still needs to better prepare for the next debate so he doesn't come off as "erratic." Actually participating in some mock debates (which he reportedly did not do) will help give him some muscle memory to avoid those traps in the future.
To that end, Trump should prepare for the next debates the way he would prepare for a major business deal negotiation, to bring discipline to the table as he deals with the voters to elect him as President.
For the next two debates, Trump must think of this as a trilateral negotiation for the Presidency: Trump with the voters vs. Hillary with the voters.
It's not enough to just knock the other guy. Trump must articulate the win-win relationship for the voters and him, and get the voters to believe it will be a lose-win between them and Clinton.
-PJ
I think his response to the tax returns should be something along the line:
“I am taking the advice of my lawyers who advised me not to return the taxes during an ongoing audit. I certainly am not going to take the advice of some one who failed the bar exam like you Hillary.”
I wish what you say is true in magnitude. In stark reality, estimated 100 million watched the debate, but none of the polls cracked 1 million votes barrier.
Always pay lot of attention to magnitude, proportions, size.
It’s easy playing armchair quarterback, and I’m sure the net will be filled with “he shoulda saids” today, but I think I’ll rely on Trump to handle the situation, his way.
Trump was debating TWO people on that stage last night. It was left-rigged to the fullest extent possible.
He let a lot of things slide, but I wasn’t looking for “scrapper” Trump, I was looking for “Presidential” Trump, and think he nailed it on that account.
Having said that, I don’t think the debate hurt him a bit in the polls, and with all we know about Clinton, debate-winner, or not - she’ll never get my vote. I’ve watch almost all of Trumps rallies, and know his positions on ever subject brought up by the tag-team of Lester-Clinton last night, and with that in mind, trump is clearly the election winner.
The debates are a watered down version of “America’s Got Talent”, where its all about the judges/moderators, and who can twang the most heartstrings with a sad back story.
It has nothing to do in proving leadership, or governing. However Hillary did on the podium last night, she still has 30 years of failure and dishonesty behind her when comes to actual governing. She actually doesn’t have 30 years “experience”, she has one years experience, 30 TIMES.
“..and was feeling out the first meeting in my opinion, plus laying back with advice from Kellyann Conway.”
You’re probably correct about this. He did nothing last night that played into their hands, or their talking points. Their approach so far has been to mischaracterize him as unstable and unqualified to be President. His demeanor and approach nullified their talking points.
I think Trump was coached by his handlers to not go into personal insults. Was it a good strategy? Only time will tell.
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