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Debate: Trump did well, despite a big obstacle
American Thinker ^ | September 27, 2016 | J. Marsolo

Posted on 09/27/2016 3:33:46 AM PDT by detective

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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I wish Trump had said, “Lessie, if you want to be in the debate, come up here on stage and stand with the candidate you support”.

The moderator has no business ‘debating’ a candidate. The other candidate is supposed to do that. For example, if the birther issue is to be pursued, let Hillary do it if she wants. Lessie could have asked Hillary, “do you wish to respond?”.

Conclusion: Lessie was helping Hillary.


21 posted on 09/27/2016 4:34:53 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Trump-a-licious

Yep. And when she was saying all the gotcha stuff about his business and people he hired, etc......It’s apparent Mrs. Clinton doesn’t like people that work for a living. I worked hard and built a business that employed thousands and still employs thousands. Maybe if I had gotten rich being a politician Mrs. Clinton wouldn’t denigrate me so. Then look right at her and say...how DOES one become a multi millionaire while being a politician Mrs. Clinton?


22 posted on 09/27/2016 4:54:48 AM PDT by sheana
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To: goldstategop

We are all going to making solar panels and the world is going to be unicorns and gumdrops. China has the market cornered on cheap solar panels.

Pray America wakes


23 posted on 09/27/2016 4:55:36 AM PDT by bray (I'm Deplorable)
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To: detective

I realized this morning that Trump had an ingenious response to the “women card” attack Hillary played, when he said, “I could say something, but I won’t do it...” He was, of course, talking about all Bill Clinton’s women and Hillary’s enabling. I watched both Fox and CBS this morning and they had to explain to the audience what Trump was talking about. So not only did Trump get credit for taking the “high road” he STILL got the message about Bill’s women out because the news networks had to explain it so viewers would know the context of what Trump was refusing to talk about.


24 posted on 09/27/2016 4:57:31 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Trump-a-licious

I agree. Missed all the big opportunities. Unmitigated disaster.


25 posted on 09/27/2016 5:01:45 AM PDT by Valentine Michael Smith (You won't find justice in a Courtroom)
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To: BlueStateRightist
It was a wash. No major gaffes. Few minds will be changed. Trump missed some opportunities — almost like he was over-coached to avoid some topics.

Worth repeating. I was happy he survived the trap and fought back.

True, he missed several openings to attack but overall did well considering he was tossed into a leftist meat grinder. It will be a while before we hear about how the lights were turned up on him, how the mike was set to extra sensitive to pick up every breath he took or how the arena he entered was designed to destroy and end his presidency before it could begin.

It failed.

Trump walked out with his head held high. Nicely done and well played for an outsider.

If the other debates take place, Trump will have an opportunity to use the ammo he held in reserve.

I have to wonder if there will be other debates?

26 posted on 09/27/2016 5:03:56 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: goldstategop

“...Hillary knew in advance...”

The horrendous evil open-mouthed grin that Hillary let out each time she recognized the question or was about to lie and twist facts literally made me feel ill. I could not even watch the very end because I was having a physical anxiety reaction to its fakeness.

I hope significant numbers of my fellow Americans could recognize it for what it was; it was THE classic smirk of a narcissist, who are known in psychology to exhibit these types of sociopathic smiles when they lie.

It was clear very early into the debate that the moderator was all in for Hillary based more on what was purposely NOT brought up, as well the dwelling on the birther and the “bankruptcy” issue and the class action discrimination suit from the the ‘70’s “ issue; which is are non issues.

Hello!! A 70’s era lawsuit that went nowhere is more important to spend time on than Hillary carelessly handling our nation’s intelligence?? And:

Why is it even racist to question a president’s citizenship? (Hillary was the first to do so regarding Obama)? Think about it ... Martin Van Buren’s citzenship was examined and those questioning it were not considered racist. The left’s false premise needs to be called out by Trump.

On hopes that Trump demands that there is no “Moderator”, just a timer, for the next debate, and that person needs to be from a conservative news/web site.

Trump did very well in the proverbial lion’s den. He is genuine while Hillary was fake fake fake and the difference ought to be obvious to anyone with even an iota of discernment, one hopes!


27 posted on 09/27/2016 5:16:32 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: cymbeline

Yes. Trump needed to call out Holt and ignore Hillary. He should have addressed Holt with questions. It was obvious that Holt had not read the financial disclosure since it answered the questions he asked.


28 posted on 09/27/2016 5:23:15 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: detective

Clinton is an experienced political insider who has 30 + years of doing this. She has a large compendium of knowledge, uses lingo familiar to diplomats and speaks in improbable specifics regarding “plans” to do everything. She used all of those assets quite well; as we expected.

Trump simply is not a politician, he spoke like a man who has recognized the problem and it exactly what Hillary represented. Category after category, social issues, foreign affairs, security healthcare and on and on, he sees how the combined talents of Hillary et al have run the US citizen , black, white, rich poor, male female down the road to towering national debt, poor investment in infrastructure, increasing government, both in terms of influence and size and cost and damaging policies towards most segments of the population.

He points out the problem and it is business of the “uni-party” system as usual- passing laws that line the pockets of the system while ding little, nothing or even less than nothing in many instances. He specifically stated that with all that acumen and experience, she and those like her ( career politicians) have driven the US to its fiscal, military social and cultural knees, with the only answer from the establishment being to push it to it’s belly.

Again, I see this perspective as a non-Trump fan. I see this phenomenon as a direct result of the process- 16 candidates calling themselves Republicans offered the public simply the slightly “reddish” version of the deep blue Hillary, and the voting public spewed them all out of their collective mouths and decided to take a sip of fresh water.

My concern, as I think it should be our collective concern, is that neither Donald nor Hillary can accomplish much ( nor should they try it alone, like king Obama has declared) without a congress that changes the laws of the nation- deregulates business where it makes sense, frees up businesses to spend money it makes here or overseas and encourages companies. both indigenous and foreign, to invest in plants, personnel and operations here rather than in those countries where they find cheap labor and costs due to unfair trade practices.

Trumps stated that those deals were not equitable nor in the best interest of the US worker or company and I agree.

Clinton presented an articulate, superficial and political voice, Trump show his frustration over how his nation has sold itself down the river to 3rd world benefactors for no reason other than bad politics and self serving treaties.

Who won? Depends on whether you want a globalist mentality to continue the trundle left and down or an “it’s about our nation too” mentality that espouses sound policy decisions that would make equitable and beneficial outcomes not just for those we bend over for.....

I firmly believe that the past two elections showed the American voter just how similar the two parties are in terms of these issues and where both parties would have led us, regardless of who won the election.

The battle is for a congress that enforces legislation, holds itself and the administration and courts to the rule of law and becomes the activist entity is it designed to be.

We don’t need no stinking king nor Jester.


29 posted on 09/27/2016 5:31:14 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: detective

Get rid of moderators altogether and replace them with a modified chess clock timer.

Not only do liberal moderators jump in to act as a second debater against the conservative, but it’s inherently biased to let a liberal supposed “journalist” pose the questions in the first place. Not a single question was posed on Hilllary’s illegal email server, or immigration, or the billions unaccounted for at the Clinton Foundation.

Let the debaters bring their own questions for the other. Begin with a coin toss. 1 minute question, then 3 minute answer, then 2 minute rebuttal, 1 minute counter-rebuttal, 30 second summery/final rebuttal. (These times are merely suggestions, but you get the idea. The mic will switch on and off on a set schedule, known and agreed upon by both debaters.)

The microphone goes hot and cold on this schedule. A soft chime alerts the speaker with the hot mic when they have 10 seconds left in any stage segment, and large countdown clocks will be visible to both sides showing who has the hot mic and their time remaining.

At the end of each 7 or 8 minute stage, provide a minute for a water break or note jotting while the clock resets. The next debater can then use his or her new 1 minute question period to revisit the previous topic, and run the stage again on that topic, or, they can switch to an entirely new topic with a fresh question.

Repeat the process, alternating sides, until both are exhausted and agree to quit, or until an agreed-upon time limit is reached.

Just get rid of 3rd wheel moderators, their interference, and their built-in bias.


30 posted on 09/27/2016 6:03:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Trump-a-licious
On Cyber Security all he had to say was "Do you want the same woman who was running an unsecured email server in her basement with Top Level Security documents laying around that no doubt the Russians and Chinese were listening in on in charge of Security in this nation? This is the same woman who when asked if she wiped her email server clean made a whiping motion with her hand and said 'Do you mean with a cloth?'. Do you want your grandma in charge of Cyber Security?"

My thoughts exactly. How did he NOT crush her on cyber security?

How did he NOT crush her on the birther issue?

I thought he held up ok, but he had tons of opportunities to hit her hard.

I knew it was going to be a tough night when Holt lead off the debate with (paraphrase) "Jobs are coming back, wages are going up, the economy has recovered, etc." All Trump had to do was ask "Hey Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, do you agree with that?"

I thought he addressed race pretty well in saying that dems use them every four years for votes. It's a good point to keep pushing.

I personally can't stand his new "stop and frisk" mantra. I wish he'd drop that one.

I thought he did fine, but I can't understand how such a smart person, surrounded by smart people didn't prepare and deliver so many knockout blows that were there for the taking.
31 posted on 09/27/2016 6:09:09 AM PDT by mmichaels1970 (Hillary lied over four coffins.)
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To: Valentine Michael Smith

See, I disagree.

Clinton needed to win, and win big.

Trump merely needed to not lose.

He didn’t make any statements that can be blown out of proportion, so in that I would say that he came out ahead.


32 posted on 09/27/2016 7:24:04 AM PDT by ferret_airlift
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To: detective

Most Snap polls show Trump winning debate in a landslide!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html


33 posted on 09/27/2016 8:53:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (In a time of universal deceit - teIllling the truth is a revolutionary act! George Orwell)
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