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If Hillary loses, Democrats face a long time in exile
New York Post ^ | SEPTEMBER 23, 2016 | Michael Barone

Posted on 09/24/2016 8:33:06 AM PDT by Hojczyk

Anti-Trump Republicans hope the Trump effect will just go away, and will note that a defeated Trump will not leave behind much in the nature of an institutional apparatus, as the defeated Barry Goldwater arguably did in 1964. But the argument for going back to pre-Trump positions is weakened by the fact that Republicans have lost four of the six presidential elections between 1992 and 2012.

But what if Hillary Clinton loses? The political map in that case will look quite different, with Democratic states confined to the Northeast, West Coast and a few splotches in between. The presidential Democratic Party, like the congressional Democratic Party, will be concentrated in heavily Democratic central cities, some sympathetic suburbs and scattered university towns.

The shock for Democrats if Clinton loses will likely be more severe than for Republicans if Trump loses.

One option for Democrats would be to moderate their policies, as the New Democrats urged in the 1980s and Bill Clinton did in the 1990s. After all, that proved pretty successful.

Two decades ago, lots of self-described moderates and even conservatives voted in Democratic primaries. Not so these days. The slump in Democratic primary and caucus turnout, from 38 million in 2008 to 31 million in 2016, was due to a sharp decline in turnout by self-described moderates.

Hillary Clinton’s move from her husband’s 1990s triangulation to her near-total acceptance this year of Bernie Sanders’ left-wing platform was a rational response to changes in the Democratic primary electorate.

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To: eekitsagreek

This is all true. However, with the excitement for Trump comes high expectations and not a lot of time to meet them. He may very well get 20% black votes. However, if they do not feel that things are improving for them enough, they will just return to the Dems.


21 posted on 09/24/2016 9:11:37 AM PDT by Mjreagan
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To: Hojczyk

Republicans lost 4 of the last 6 presidential elections and barely squeaked by with George W. He damn near lost to Gore and he barely fended of John Kerry when he was the incumbent. I wonder which nominee would be generating the interest against Hillary and her potential historic first woman presidency. Jeb? Marco? Mitt? There would be virtually no chance to beat any Democrat without Trump.


22 posted on 09/24/2016 9:28:48 AM PDT by webheart (We are all pretty much living in a fiction.)
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To: Hojczyk

One can only hope and pray that this happens.


23 posted on 09/24/2016 9:45:16 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I heard that too. Rush even talked about that too.


24 posted on 09/24/2016 10:07:29 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: qam1
No not quite. Unfortunately Demographics are still not in the Republicans favor.

Trump is trying to change those Demographics with his outreach to the Black and Hispanic communities.

25 posted on 09/24/2016 10:12:07 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: qam1

Yet I have seen a number of minorities at the Trump rally videos so I sense that could be a good sign for the future.


26 posted on 09/24/2016 11:11:06 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Truth29

If Trump does not win, what we are seeing in a peaceful revolution could very well go violent.


27 posted on 09/24/2016 11:12:32 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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Thank you for referencing that article Hojczyk. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

Regarding Hillary hopefully losing and Democrats going into exile, Trump will have a MUCH BIGGER mess to clean up than he probably thinks.

More specifically, if there are true welfare states, states that cannot survive finantially without unconstitutional federal funding, funding that the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, then such states need to surrender their statehood, imo, and become a US territory again, stars appropriately removed from the flag.

Otherwise, many state governments evidently do not understand that nearly all of the federal funding that they continually beg from corrupt Congress is actually their own state revenues which the corrupt feds have stolen in the form of unconstitutional fedral taxes, taxes which Congress cannot justify under its Section 8-powers mentioned above.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In other word, the states would find a windfall of new revenues if they eliminated the unconstitutional middleman, the corrupt federal government, from their budget planning by putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes.

Remember in November !

Patriots need to support Trump / Pence by also electing a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will not only work within its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to support Trump’s vision for making America great again for everybody, but will also put a stop to unconstitutonal federal taxes and likewise unconstitutional inteference in state affairs.

Note that such a Congress will also probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

28 posted on 09/24/2016 11:20:15 AM PDT by Amendment10
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