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BREAKING: Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby charged with 1st degree manslaughter
KTUL ^ | September 22, 2016 | Staff

Posted on 09/22/2016 1:46:01 PM PDT by Trump20162020

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To: PghBaldy

In the video I saw, I could not tell who made the shot. I saw the big guy in the white shirt go down, but, there did not seem to be any reaction from those on scene. Base on reaction, I cannot say a shot was fired. But, eye witness accounts are not reliable.

I don’t think they are going to make the !st degree stick.


221 posted on 09/22/2016 5:05:54 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (If you like your part-time job, you can keep your part-time job. Vote Bolshecrat.)
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To: AmusedBystander

We differ. Thank you for your civility. Rare these days.

Taking witness statements takes a long time, and lawyers are involved as well.

All facts need to be collected and presented, too include factors that might impact on the decision to shoot or not.

Sequence of events, recreation step-by-step of the incident (with timing cues), collating everyone’s videos, recreating each officers point of view (what they can and can not see), and then the question about the thug. . .was he high? Was he tased before the shot or just after? Was he actually reaching for something?

The most confused time when trying to get a factual analysis of a situation is immediately or just after the incident occurs.

Facts and information are just too jumbled within days of the event and with conflicting statements.

These have to be assessed to help determine facts, flow and information, review different/alternate sequences of events and other possible factors that were at play.

These all have to be collected, collated, organized, analyzed and evaluated before taking someone to be indicted.

Do we have all the facts? Most likely not.

As we know there are conflicting reports about when (or if) a taser was fired, timing of the entire event, from first call to final actions, and everything that happened in-between, these are important to know so you may be able to decide honestly if an indictment is warranted, and if so, to what level for the charges. The prosecutor must be able to credibly place a Grand Juror in the officers shoes to accurately assess if the action taken passes the reasonable person test.

Just a couple of days is not nearly enough to time to sort the mountain of evidence related to a shoot.


222 posted on 09/22/2016 5:09:50 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: traderrob6

Naw, I’ll pass. I’d much rather you dictate what happened since you were there.


223 posted on 09/22/2016 5:27:22 PM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: bray
If the victim was white this would have never gone to court.

If the charges are proper, they'd be proper either way.

I have a novel idea here. How about if we let Justice take it's course and see what a jury decides?

A unarmed man has died. Wjether at the hands of a police officer or anyone else, to my mind, that's a fine reason to put it to a jury.

I can't believe they'd charge her without some evidence. It simply doesn't happen very often to law enforcement, so there's likely a valid reason for the exception.

Vote Trump!

224 posted on 09/22/2016 5:33:31 PM PDT by sargon (Anyone AWOL in the battle against Hillary is not a patriot. It's that simple.)
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To: sauropod
what kind of sentence would she get if she's convicted?...

I feel bad for her....heat of the moment...

but cops can not just shoot to kill....

that being said.....I don't blame any cop from withdrawing from going into any black areas or going after black perps...

225 posted on 09/22/2016 5:38:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: CivilWarBrewing
"But it is kind of nice to see a female cop being subjected to wrongful punishment for the sake of political correctness instead of a white male, for a change."

you are very sick...

226 posted on 09/22/2016 5:41:18 PM PDT by cherry
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To: bray
If the victim was white this would have never gone to court. Acting stupid on PCP will get you dead.

If the victim was white there is only a slim chance he would have been shot to begin with.

227 posted on 09/22/2016 5:43:46 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: PAR35
If the dude was on PCP, might be able to plead it to probation or even to a misdemeanor, giving up her certification. If the DA doesn’t offer that, she’d probably be better off rolling the dice at trial.

She shot an unarmed man who was not a threat to her or anyone else in the area. I think that calls for a bit more than a misdemeanor.

228 posted on 09/22/2016 5:45:22 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: RegulatorCountry

Does anyone know if the driver had a weapon? These charges might make sense if he was unarmed. I can see how a defense lawyer can make a case that she feared for her life.

Also, did any other policeman discharge their weapon?


229 posted on 09/22/2016 5:51:17 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: DennisR

Just heard CNN lawyer talking about PCP being in the car and if the jury hears that evidence it may be a game changer.


230 posted on 09/22/2016 5:55:56 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: cornfedcowboy

To my knowledge, a taser was used by one other officer. No other gunfire. I don’t believe the driver was armed when he was shot.


231 posted on 09/22/2016 5:56:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
But, killing him is harder to justify.

There were 4 cops on him, 3 were taking a bead on him. Anyone who thinks the victim could have pulled a gun and taken out 3 cops is a fool.

This is another case where the unachievable and unrealistic practice of 100% "Officer Safety" failed and another citizen is dead.

Was the guy obeying orders? No, was he a threat, no.

232 posted on 09/22/2016 6:01:48 PM PDT by sailor76 (GO TRUMP!!! Make America Great Again!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Police just stated there was no weapon.


233 posted on 09/22/2016 6:17:06 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: HokieMom

She must very much now regret going into “criminal justice”.


234 posted on 09/22/2016 6:21:09 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, 2016)
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To: AmusedBystander

>>I support the police. They have reviewed the available evidence and testimony from all those there and have determined that charges against her are valid.

It seems substantially more likely this decision was made not by the police, but by the DA, who presumably would have had statements from all the cops involved, as well as other information, like the video(s), to assist in his decision-making.


235 posted on 09/22/2016 6:40:10 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Trump20162020

Why would anyone take a job where making a mistake means prison? I wouldn’t.


236 posted on 09/22/2016 6:46:07 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s what I thought too. He tased the guy.... Seemed she overreacted. Not saying I wouldn’t have done the same thing though. Just a bad situation. We have to stand behind our police.


237 posted on 09/22/2016 6:50:18 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Your comment.

It may be proverbial "Scottish verdict" time. She skates, but never ever has a police job again.

This statement takes me back in time living in England. In a murder trial in England it was "Guilty" or "Not Guilty." Scotland had these two alternatives as you will know but also "Not Proven". It meant the case could be revisited.

I had an experience as a raw conscript soldier patrolling on guard duty at night. This on the Suez Canal. All alone. But for the bolt action on the 3.03 Lee Enfield which required three separate movements before firing, I could have shot someone once. Oh, well, not the place for these yarns really.

238 posted on 09/22/2016 7:57:48 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: cornfedcowboy

Good, but it will not make any difference to the low-information voters. They do not care about truth.


239 posted on 09/22/2016 7:59:29 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Hulka

Yep...


240 posted on 09/22/2016 8:01:23 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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