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US Navy Drops LCS Plans, Concept After Latest Failures
Defense-Aerospace.com ^ | Sept 9, 2016

Posted on 09/09/2016 5:32:33 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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The US Navy has finally decided to abandon the unworkable Littoral Combat Ship modular concept, and to turn the ships it has on order into dedicated, single-mission vessels. Both LCS variants are shown here. (USN photo)

1 posted on 09/09/2016 5:32:33 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How much money spent? How much time wasted? To discover a small, fast ship made of aluminum was bad idea for a surface combat vessel.


2 posted on 09/09/2016 5:38:39 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Actually, the LCS series was a complete success, transferring taxpayer funds to the districts of favored politices and businesses of their contributors, and thence back into the coffers of the politicians.

What? You didn’t think the bastards actually cared about creating an effective warship did you?


3 posted on 09/09/2016 5:40:22 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The important thing is that the right people made fortunes from another ill conceived boondoggle.


4 posted on 09/09/2016 5:42:17 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 50 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It failed because it dounds too much like a female body part. What’s next a Enis?


5 posted on 09/09/2016 5:43:25 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I worked on the program for 10 years. I’m not surprised it failed. It was incredibly complex due to the constantly changing requirements and long development time. It used modular payloads for each mission and they had to talk to the ship’s computers. Every time one of the systems was upgraded it required retesting.

The ship was designed to run very fast in shallow water, so every ounce of weight was critical. One of our engineers was responsible for paring down the tools that were kept on board. She concluded that they could use an adjustable wrench instead of a whole set of metric and standard wrenches. It was a concept the looked good to the bean counters on paper.

They kept very few spares on board and even fluids like oil and solvents were measured down to the number of ounces required for a mission.

The modular concept required dozens of different contractors and commanders coordinate specification changes to keep all the other contractors in the loop for software changes. I remember one change that moved a bulkhead hatch that wasn’t coordinated. They ended up putting the door where our payload was supposed to go. The door became unusable when the LCS was configured for our payload.

Whenever they proposed cutting some of the funding or needed more money, someone would come up with a new mission so they could get funding from another source.

The whole thing was a swiss army knife. A jack of all trades but not good at any one mission.


6 posted on 09/09/2016 5:49:49 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: ConorMacNessa

forgive me while I laugh.

Lockheed-Martin hosed up again and the Defense Dept. gets it in the #6.


7 posted on 09/09/2016 5:51:35 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: wastoute
To discover a small, fast ship made of aluminum was bad idea for a surface combat vessel.

So turn them over to the USCG.

8 posted on 09/09/2016 5:52:52 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Jus Soli + Jus Sanguinis = NBC)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Pretty expensive training ships. We used to use PCER’s on the Great Lakes.

VAW-116 aboard USS Coral Sea (CVA-43)
Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 1968-69


9 posted on 09/09/2016 5:53:42 AM PDT by wetgundog ("Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice" -AuH2O)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The USS Perineum!


10 posted on 09/09/2016 5:56:05 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; All

Uh oh! Bad news for Austal Shipbuilding in Mobile, AL; one of the largest employers in an area that doesn’t have very many large employers!


11 posted on 09/09/2016 6:02:43 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington DC has become the enemy of free people everywhere)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So...no USS Gabby Giffords?


12 posted on 09/09/2016 6:04:20 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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We've been talking this over this morning in the office. Our consensus is: What? Wait... I had a ship, called a Frigate, that did anti-air, anti-surface and anti-subsurface, now I need three ships that are understaffed to do the same job? That's progress how?
13 posted on 09/09/2016 6:08:42 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: wastoute
How much money spent? How much time wasted? To discover a small, fast ship made of aluminum was bad idea for a surface combat vessel.

To assess this properly, one would need to sit down with the people who assess the various regions of the world, project likely threats, and profile future missions. I've not done that. With that caveat, however, the LCS always struck me as (perhaps) a good idea. The burden of this story is that the Navy erred in asking the type to do too much. Mission creep spoiling the platform is an old story.

I've always thought of the LCS, correctly designed and configured, as probably a good platform in the Persian Gulf and pirate infested waters off Africa and in S.E. Asia. We're clearly concerned about the vulnerability of major blue water fleet assets to missile and swarm attacks in constricted waters. Something like the LCS -- much smaller, faster, maneuverable, much cheaper, and capable of outrunning and outgunning any other small craft in these areas -- would be a good thing to have. Adding too many missions is a fatal error.

Buy a flotilla equipped as fast patrol boats and exterminate the pirates off Somalia. I'd call that a successful test. Then move them to the Straits of Malacca.

14 posted on 09/09/2016 6:09:43 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Freeport

Frigates have become good examples of mission creep. They were originally supposed to be fast, light, cheap, and expendable. They have been steadily evolving towards bigger, multi-purpose platforms, and getting much more expensive in the process. The LCS as originally conceived was essentially backfilling that mission. But in the case of the LCS, the Navy started growing the mission even before the first one was launched. A little procurement discipline is badly needed.


15 posted on 09/09/2016 6:13:20 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
It failed because it [s]ounds too much like a female body part.

Dolores!

16 posted on 09/09/2016 6:14:28 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ASA Vet

That, Sir, is an excellent idea!

That is exactly why it will never see the real world..........


17 posted on 09/09/2016 6:33:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (Make America AMERICA again!.........................)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
LCS is the floating variant of the JSF.

Both were doomed to failure from inception.

18 posted on 09/09/2016 6:45:32 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Jeff Head; Travis McGee

Ping.


19 posted on 09/09/2016 7:00:39 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: mbynack

“She concluded that they could use an adjustable wrench instead of a whole set of metric and standard wrenches.”

I’m speechless. This thing has to weigh hundreds of tons...and it comes down to this...wow.


20 posted on 09/09/2016 7:05:44 AM PDT by lacrew
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