Posted on 09/06/2016 7:07:17 AM PDT by libstripper
The election of Hillary Clinton would mean final defeat for American conservativism -- for at least a generation and almost certainly for much longer than that. The demographic changes certain to flow from eight more years of open borders, general amnesty, and distribution of the newly arrived statist voters to electorally vulnerable states would make the Left’s presidential victory this fall, for all practical purposes, permanent.
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And that won’t mean a thing to all those federated with guns that out number and out power us. The cartels and drug gangs are ruthless. It will be bloody and very deadly
True, and whereas most are probably not in the business of radical transformation of the US, there are clearly those within the Dem party who are - and are passionate about making this happen. I'm sure there were Jews in Germany in the 30s who never thought things would get as bad as they did. Even if there were warning signs, they reasoned it would be OK. They had jobs, and businesses, and their families. How bad could it be? Well, history shows us that very bad things can happen and do happen. The cultural revolution in China is another example.
The longer I've lived, the more I realize that each and every blessing you have in life must be cherished, because you never know how long these blessings will be with you, or how long you will be here.
So, for our country the time is now, and this election is crucial - probably like none other in my lifetime. There is nothing ‘principled’ about not voting for Trump when it opens the door for a potential end of the best of American life and freedom, as we and generations before us experienced it.
Trump sure takes more conservative positions than Romney, so this is not justified.
" ... You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.
We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness."
Comparable to the Fall of Rome, and the Dark Ages. The muslim hordes kept human civilization dark, violent, and stagnant for almost a thousand years then, and they will do it again.
I believe President Trump could delay the disaster, but I am now convinced that the end of America as we know it is coming sooner rather than later. A generation willing to vote Obama 52% or Hillary even just 47% is lost, and I cannot imagine recovering with so many parasites and predators in the country, not without a VERY ugly transition.
“Sir, you contradict yourself. Defeat for a generation WILL be defeat pretty much forever”
Apparently I failed to write clearly. I meant to say that “defeat for a generation” is an understatement.
“You, yourself, say that technology allows for a tyranny that Orwell couldn’t imagine. Well, people with that kind of power will NOT relinquish it out of the goodness of their hearts.”
Yes, that’s what I meant to imply.
“Please don’t kid yourself. The Dems are playing for keeps in the ultimate game, “Power.”
Not kidding myself at all. I only regret that I won’t have much battlefield survivability at my age.
I doubt the average gun owner has a thousand rounds while the average National Police Force Obama has created will have truck loads.
But still I could very well be RIGHT and I stand on that prediction.
“I’m sure there were Jews in Germany in the 30s who never thought things would get as bad as they did. Even if there were warning signs, they reasoned it would be OK. They had jobs, and businesses, and their families. How bad could it be? Well, history shows us that very bad things can happen and do happen. The cultural revolution in China is another example.
The longer I’ve lived, the more I realize that each and every blessing you have in life must be cherished, because you never know how long these blessings will be with you, or how long you will be here.”
My family history backs up the fleeting nature of good times and stability. My paternal grandfather was born in Russia (now part of Ukraine) in 1901. He told me that when he was 12, there was a great celebration across the nation (11 time zones, 1/6 of the land area of the world) for the 300th anniversary of the Romanov Dynasty. He said that at that time, HIS grandfather’s grandfather’s grandfather could not have remembered a time without the Czar - that for all practical purposes, the Czar was forever. Well, 5 years later the Romanov Dynasty was no more, and a year after that the Czar and his whole family were murdered and thrown down a well. So much for “forever.”
With my grandfather’s family, the fall wasn’t quite so dramatic - but it was a fall nonetheless. My great grandfather was a fairly wealthy man. He worked his fingers to the bone to own a water delivery business employing about 50 people, and built - with his own labor and that of his sons - 14 or 15 houses that he rented out. My grandfather’s youngest brother, who got out of Ukraine in 1994 at age 87, told me of his memories of going down the street and being able to walk into bakeries and food stores, able to buy any amount of any kind of food imaginable...and a few short years later, people were starving and cutting down trees and fences to stay warm enough to survive the winter. My great grandfather’s property was seized by the Communists - for the “People,” don’t you know - and he died a bitter man about 15 years after my grandfather left, with all that he had ever worked for stolen by a bunch of thugs who wanted (and had) power.
My lesson from all this is that you DO have to count your blessings, and that you can NEVER count on other people to do the right thing. Yes, you hope that they do it, but power is the single strongest aphrodisiac - people will do ANYTHING to get and maintain it, morality and the public welfare be damned. I have seen NOTHING on the Left - or, specifically, from the Clintons’ lifetime in and around power - that persuades me that Hillary Clinton wouldn’t lie, cheat and steal to obtain the Presidency, or that she wouldn’t systematically destroy all mechanisms of our government and nation that would deny her more and permanent power (well, permanent until she died, anyway - and most sociopaths like her don’t care what happens once they die).
Hillary Clinton is, in my opinion and based on my knowledge of human history and my own family history, our Lenin. She’s on the train on the way to St. Petersberg...we dare not allow her to get off that train and gain power, or we will end up worse as a nation than Russia did after the Communists came to power.
Glad to see that your eyes are open.
As for “battlefield survivability at my age,” take heart - Samuel Whittemore of Massachusetts was 78 when he took on and killed 3 Redcoats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Whittemore
Here’s a somewhat more, uh, colorful description: http://www.badassoftheweek.com/whittemore.html
As long as there is one breath left in my body, I will resist a tyranny in this nation by any means necessary.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. ~Ronald Wilson Reagan We should have listened. Trump is more conservative than any of the 16 other pygmies that he beat in the primary, yet we have principled traitors willing to kill the Republic for spite. Surely we are fighting a spiritual war for none of these #NeverTrump detractors could possibly be in their right mind.
Precisely
It is why I gave up on Cruz and quit listening to the maniac
An observation.
Indeed the Bolsheviks were evil beyond the pale, yet chronic and compulsive Romanov incompetence made the former inevitable; just as the Bourbons brought the French Revolution down upon their heads.
We are in our current morass of decline because we have willfully surrendered the vision of our Founders. Whether we can recapture it, remains problematic.
Greece and Rome, the creators of Western Civilization, rose and fell. Most emphatically, we will not not escape history!
“I doubt the average gun owner has a thousand rounds while the average National Police Force Obama has created will have truck loads.”
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There are some 100 million gun owners. If only 1% are dedicated to the cause of liberty, that’s 1 million people.
Scattered across a continent.
Many of whom have military training.
Many of whom have MUCH more than 1,000 rounds, and some very impressive (i.e. long range) equipment.
The federal, state & local police forces (even including the armed forces - and their involvement is a BIG question mark) could not hope to muster anywhere near that number while still defending our nation from external foes and internal crime. Big cities, the heart of the federal government’s power, would face hunger and huge civil unrest, as rebels in “flyover country” would undoubtedly stop a great deal of the constant food deliveries to those cities.
Remember the “Beltway Sniper” of 2002? That was one deranged guy with a modest amount of military experience, a simple AR-15, a penchant for publicity and a teenaged helper...so not exactly a well-trained and well-equipped rebel. Yet he murdered 10 people in a 3 week period of time, and had THOUSANDS of police officers after him over a 3-state area. What would 1 million people do? Heck, what if just 1% of those 1% were truly dedicated and skilled - you’d still be looking at 10,000 people, a Class A disaster for the Powers That Be (and many of them would be on the target list).
You also don’t take into account that many of Obama’s “National Police Force” (which I’ve seen little evidence of, btw) are not well-trained, and will flee at the first sign of resistance. Many will sell their guns and ammo to the first person with cash, gold or diamonds that shows up - and if they won’t, then many of them will be viewed as mobile gun stores by rebels.
There’s a reason why no one has ever tried to make this country a dictatorship - we’re armed better than any other nation on the planet, and we’re adding guns at a rate of about 40,000 per day, 365 days/year.
Clearly, you are correct about history - nothing is forever, no matter how good or how evil.
I would argue that while you are also correct about the Romanov’s incredible incompetence leading to a revolution, there is no particular reason why this country has to end up similarly - especially not right now. We have a binary choice: if we elect Clinton, we will become much more like Mexico, with corruption becoming endemic and our rights being forfeit. If, OTOH, we elect Trump, the level of government incompetence SHOULD decline; the economy SHOULD get better, more people SHOULD be materially better off and thus happier. IOW, we will reverse the present trend. No, that doesn’t mean that all of our ills will be cured, that flocks of flying unicorns will see to it that our every desire is fulfilled - but we’ll be better off. We’ll rewind the clock somewhat, maybe changing that attitudes of some of the 47% that Romney mentioned who are sucking at the government teat.
My problem is that the NeverTrump people don’t seem to want to give Trump or his solutions a chance - they are having a temper tantrum that will give us Hillary, and speed our descent into a civilization-destroying Hell. I can certainly sympathize with their unhappiness, but they and their ilk are the very people who made a guy like Trump inevitable as the only alternative to someone with totalitarian aspirations like Clinton.
I'm in Montana, where the average number of firearms per household that has firearms is 27, this stat is years old.
I don't know anyone who doesn't have 1K rounds.
Your exactly right, the nevertrumpers don’t realize that come 2020 what is left of the Republican party at the national level will be utterly destroyed in the 2020 election. The conservatives who have been preached to by this bunch since 1988 to play ball and vote the nominee will not be forgiving the nevertrumpers treachery. Come 2020 it won’t matter who the Republicans nominate if Trump loses. If Trump loses this is truly the end of the Republican party at a national level and this will trickle down to it’s utter destruction at the state level eventually. This is for all the marbles and the nevertrumpers don’t realize the danger for the very existence as a country we are facing, the bunch of narcissistic snobs.
Agree. It is beyond me how anyone who says they are driven by principle could even think about voting for Hillary.
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