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Commander Receiving F-35As: ‘It’s Going to Be an Absolute Monster’
Military.com via dodbuzz ^ | August 5th, 2016 | Posted By: Hope Hodge Seck

Posted on 08/05/2016 7:20:20 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: Chode

” and with NO internal gun,,, “

The A model, being discussed here, has an internal 25mm Gatling gun. That’s up from 20mm in the F-16.


81 posted on 08/06/2016 5:46:24 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Trump '16! Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: Mariner
Through final delivery the program will cost at least $1.5 trillion.

What's the final cost of "The Great Society" adjusted for inflation. We have to be able to defend all the rewards reaped by that program.

82 posted on 08/06/2016 5:51:30 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: JudgemAll

The Silent Eagle may be worth buying, but not for Naval Aviation.

It’s not a carrier capable aircraft

Problem is that the F-22 is about the same cost at the end of the day so F-15 is a hard sell.

Our only current options for Carrier aircraft is more FA-!8, bring back the F-14 and/or the F-35C


83 posted on 08/06/2016 7:14:01 AM PDT by rdcbn ("There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alt)
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To: PreciousLiberty
i'm sure the Navy and Marine pilots will take great comfort in that...
84 posted on 08/06/2016 8:25:01 AM PDT by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING!)
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To: PreciousLiberty
I see the F-35 as the fifth generation love child of the F-117 and the F-105.

If the evolutionists are right, big brains and advanced processing, resulting in better, faster solutions, beats speed, agility, brawn, size and strength all the way to the top of the food chain!

As such, I can see how the planners came up with the F-35 way back when they were trying to predict the future it would fight in, because the F-35 is, at its core, half geek and half motor head, but with a little bit of fashion sense.

From what I've read, the F-35 is designed to be the biggest, baddest brain in the ring, with the biggest, baddest, most radically powerful engine they could possibly think up, tucked tightly wrapped inside a somewhat sexy, though not svelte body that has a "beauty in the eye of the beholder" quality I think will be quite infectious once the F-35 is out and about strutting its stuff.

Oh yeah, it's obvious. Debutante or not, I can see she's a very bad girl and I'd like to meet her!

I think I'm a bit too old for her, though... *sigh*

85 posted on 08/06/2016 10:28:55 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Mariner
It may be the best strike aircraft in history.

And for only $1 Trillion in development!

86 posted on 08/06/2016 8:57:49 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Or a half-dozen jihadis with a $5,000 SAM and one with binoculars. Spot jet contrails, point everyone that way and let ‘em rip, pilot now has a biiig problem.


87 posted on 08/07/2016 3:16:42 PM PDT by Laser_Ray
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To: Laser_Ray

Well, the North Vietnamese moved their “static” SAM launchers - you know, the old ones with the Soviet-laid fixed position star pattern and hundreds of feet of mechanical and electrical control cables between every rocket launcher and radar and control station - every night, and twice during cease fire.

They were shooting 15-10 surface to air missiles for every US jet hit, and shooting 20 for every kill - not bad ratio.

Then, as now, the democrat administration was telling the North Viet’s when and where we would bomb up north - so the NV “civilians” would no be hit. Har, har.


88 posted on 08/07/2016 5:23:47 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mcshot

No. The F-22 was shut down. The F23 production never started.


89 posted on 08/07/2016 5:25:51 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: 867V309

barkie administration, GLOBALIST-crony elites: “Hey Brad, how’d you like to live the good life? No worries on your military career. Ticket to ride. Just say this about the f35...”

Brad: “No problem. Best plane EVER.”


Blue Max..


90 posted on 08/07/2016 5:28:13 PM PDT by AFret.
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To: Mariner

OK. So the enemy fighters are in the above an airfield mix with our tankers, cargo planes and AEW in the air and trying to evade the attack - Shooting them with cannon, machine gun and short range AAM.

Enemy fighters and gun-armed attack planes are using civilian planes to get near our space and inside our flight paths.

How are you going to get in close to shoot in either case with killing our own planes or the nearby country’s civilain airliners?

Long range shoot-in-an-empty sky might happen. But hasn’t yet.


91 posted on 08/07/2016 5:30:19 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: GBA

Nah. F-35 is intended to be the lower end, multipurpose, McNamara designed does everything at a lower price cousin to the high-end and expensive F-22. F-22 was intended to be the control ship for the lower end fighters - acting a local AEW when needed.


92 posted on 08/07/2016 5:32:42 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Ugh, that’s not a bad kill ratio at all. And consider that happening with the hideously overpriced F-35’s. We are making it increasingly EASIER for our enemy to run us broke in a war, which coupled with a bad economy is a real nasty brew.

Don’t get me started on a Nork “Civilian”...that’s what the Democrats called them when they hid their rifles and ran home to hide in their huts behind mama-san and their brats who spent all day hiding digging pit traps and spying on troop movements.


93 posted on 08/07/2016 6:32:44 PM PDT by Laser_Ray
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I was hoping as a black project.


94 posted on 08/07/2016 8:49:31 PM PDT by mcshot (The "Greatest Generation" would never have allowed the trashing of our Republic.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
I agree with you that the planners' multi-purpose approach has frequently been poorly executed in the past.

But that's the fault of the politicians and their ever-evolving shopping lists, rather than the planners or the engineers' talents and designs.

Once the people who have to live with it sit down at the table without the politicians there, most of those designs were made right and were effective.

True, the "purpose-built first and multi-purpose later" approach has almost always been the better way, but... politicians.

What more is there to say? Open any history book and the examples just pour out! It's crazy...

Anyhoo, I think we're at another crossroads, this time between piloted-aircraft or only UAVs flying in the first day+ modern battlefield airspace.

In that arena, the F-35 will need to be multi-purposed, multi-tasked and multi-talented to actually be "purpose-built" as the F-16 initially was or the A-10 still is.

Every design is a compromise and it's likely true that the F-35's not as nimble as and obviously not as svelte as the F-16 and F-22.

Instead she's a bit more ah... 'full-figured', but in a sexy, stealthy-Rubenesque kinda way you often see with some MMA fighters, rather than with runway models and beauty queens.

Personally, I think she's hot, but yeah, maybe I think she's just a little, teensy bit too heavy to make weight, and don't you dare tell her I said that!

Anyway...I think she has a lot of potential and we're all just barely getting to know each other.

Have some faith. I think it's going to be a very good and very satisfying, long-term relationship.

95 posted on 08/08/2016 8:37:14 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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