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3 Things Reagan Said About Trade That Apply Today
The Heritage Foundation ^ | July 29, 2016 | Owen Morgan, Bryan Riley

Posted on 08/05/2016 7:02:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: Buckeye McFrog
Also I think he had fallen for the line from his advisors that this would pump-up the Mexican economy to the point where illegals would no longer have any impetus to come here.

That's what I thought would happen. Send them a few factories their ancillary economy would improve and there would be less incentive for people to come to the United States.

That didn't happen. So you have to kind of rethink why you want NAFTA now? Any reason Reagan may have had is long since gone and disproven at this point. It didn't work the way Reagan said, it worked more the way H. Ross Perot said.

21 posted on 08/05/2016 7:46:18 AM PDT by stig
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To: 1rudeboy

I believe in Free Trade, but not “Free Trade Uber Alles”. There should always be recourse.


22 posted on 08/05/2016 7:48:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: stig

Would you rather bring the U.S. economy to Ross Perot’s level? Think carefully before you answer.


23 posted on 08/05/2016 7:49:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: crz

“Fair trade”

A term only used by the far left up until 2 years ago.


24 posted on 08/05/2016 7:52:20 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: 1rudeboy

The article says the truth but there is information that is not included that should have been. Namly, the US does not now have free trade. The US discounts our trade to importers. It is cheaper here to sell than anywhere in the world, in effect the US subsidizes imports. Before you get mad and call me crazy understand a couple of things. US Manufacturers have to pay up to 39% of their profits as taxes, that is over 1/3rd of the profit is lost. The US requires manufacturers to conform to many, many regulations that are costly and require added employees to deal with it.

Importers don’t have to deal with either of these things. Some countries have business that is wholy owned by the government so that they don’t pay taxes and in many cases have few if any environmental concerns. On top of that instead of welfare they just assign citizens to work in said factory at a low salary. They avoid the cost of welfare and we support their workers who work for a company that pays no taxes but gives all the profits to the government because the government owns the factory. In the US about 70% of every dollar taxed goes to transfer payments, welfare and Social Security. I know there is a special tax for Social Security but the government spent that a log time ago and now the money comes out of the general fund.

I would ask why we would make our companies conform to regulations and then discount purchasing to companies outiside the US who don’t. It is foolish. It is a prescription for failure and it is working wonderfully.

In Japan importers have to comply with all the same regulations in the manufacturing process that the domestic companies do, that is why we don’t sell beef or cars there. Their beef is way more expensive there but mostly because the government forces the growers to conform to a ton of regulations.

I think Japan does it right. Why hamstring domestic and discount imports?

We need to fix it. I think Trump understands this and will.


25 posted on 08/05/2016 7:52:29 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

If “Free Trade” needs 20,000+ pages of treaties and regulations, it ain’t very free.


26 posted on 08/05/2016 7:53:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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I'm not mad, and you are not crazy. Our manufacturers pay the highest (or the second-highest, depending on the measure) corporate income tax rate in the world, and they do so on their worldwide income, which is a concept unheard of elsewhere. It probably is the largest factor contributing to off-shoring, but no one cares to discuss it . . . because raising taxes on importers (i.e., raising taxing on ourselves--but who thinks that far?) is easier to do politically than reforming the corporate tax code (which would make people think, instead of emote).
27 posted on 08/05/2016 7:59:48 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dfwgator

I see that argument a lot, and wonder—why do strategic arms treaties have so many pages? I mean, if they do, then they are not very “limiting.” Get my drift?


28 posted on 08/05/2016 8:01:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: stig

Reagan needed to use a little more “trust, but verify” on his own party as well as on the Soviets.


29 posted on 08/05/2016 8:02:55 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: stig
It didn't work the way Reagan said, it worked more the way H. Ross Perot said.

Yup. America gave free trade a 30 year test drive, and it's NO SALE!!


30 posted on 08/05/2016 8:04:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 1rudeboy
Would you rather bring the U.S. economy to Ross Perot’s level? Think carefully before you answer.

What exactly is "Ross Perot's level"? Seems to me that Ross did very well for himself.

31 posted on 08/05/2016 8:13:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Clifford Winston of the Brookings Institution found that the import limits have actually cost jobs in the U.S. auto industry by making it possible for the sheltered American automakers to raise prices and limit production. In 1984, Winston writes in Blind Intersection? Policy and the Automobile Industry, 32,000 jobs were lost, U.S. production fell by 300,000 units

Higher prices, fewer jobs.

Sounds like your kind of protection!!!

32 posted on 08/05/2016 8:22:53 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

If auto manufactures are in collusion to price fix then that is illegal and needs to be investigated. Price fixing is very illegal.


33 posted on 08/05/2016 8:29:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
If auto manufactures are in collusion to price fix then that is illegal

Collusion?

If the Feds put a $10,000 tariff on every imported car, what happens to the demand for and price of domestic cars? Why?

34 posted on 08/05/2016 8:32:15 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: dfwgator

My point (lost upon you) is that the U.S. economy is far larger than it was when Perot was speaking of that sucking noise.


35 posted on 08/05/2016 8:33:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

We must pay higher prices. Make America great again!


36 posted on 08/05/2016 8:35:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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If it is an instantaneous tariff then there will be a shortage of cars, prices would go through the roof. Better yet make it a complete embargo.

It's what happens after that is what's important.

37 posted on 08/05/2016 8:38:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Yup. Everyone riding bicycles to work, just like in China.


38 posted on 08/05/2016 8:45:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
In the previous 26 posts, free trade has been blamed for just about every single malady suffered by our economy. It took twenty-six posts before anyone put the blame where it belongs. Protectionists like to howl about the personal freedom to buy and sell goods and services with whomever they choose (as long as no laws are being broken) without government interference.

Unfortunately, they rarely, if ever, seem to point the finger at the staggering taxes, overwhelming regulation and continuous litigation that drives American businesses overseas. I'm not sure why that is but it appears they see bigger government as the solution rather than being the problem, as Reagan did.

39 posted on 08/05/2016 8:51:48 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: 1rudeboy

Thanks for posting...


40 posted on 08/05/2016 9:03:57 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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