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2016 Election Analysis: Trump Will Defeat Clinton in Landslide
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Posted on 08/04/2016 7:09:44 PM PDT by Al Gore Vidal

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To: tinyowl
Hey tinyowl. Good to read the Taoist passage.

I guess we could quibble about these phrases. Don't tell Donald Trump that the "The highest virtue is inaction".

But I get: "The seer is a flowery decoration obscuring the Way, and a source of foolishness." Alan Watts, one of the cleverest guys who ever taught Westerns about Eastern philosophy, would have approved of being called "foolish".

A fool who persists in his folly becomes wise.

Yet every rule has an exception. Otherwise, how do explain guys like Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz? :- )

121 posted on 08/06/2016 10:28:50 AM PDT by poconopundit (When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government. Franklin, Const. Conv.)
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To: Boomer
The only problem is being able to watch OANN for free on the Internet. It has been removed from every website where it was being broadcast.

I find it odd that a network who has done so well filling a void for the right is now abandoning that platform for a sure loser.

Maybe to them doing well includes making a little money.

122 posted on 08/06/2016 11:11:21 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: poconopundit; Talisker
"The highest virtue is inaction"

Can't be so literal!

For example, saying 'yes to life' does not mean you never use the word 'no' ... in fact, you need 'no' to say yes.

Trump never would have taken the action that put us in this place. He would not have gone to war with Iraq. He would never have permitted the regulation of business to this extent. He's ultimately a 'government should not intrude' guy. The intention of his boldness and so called 'action' is to deflate the universe of karma. This is a hard concept to grasp, but it's like poking a ballon to let the air out. Normally we think of stabbing something as a violent act. But if you lance a ballon, or really the same goes for lancing a boil, or you can even think of surgery as this too ... this is all non-action action.

Just because you don't know Zen or Tao or any of the other names for things, doesn't mean you don't inherently work that way in the universe. The Zen measters did not invent Zen, the Tao practitioners did not invent 'the Tao' ... they merely observed something and named it. So ... you can't be attached to name and form.

So ... you have to understand it at the invisible level - and that's true of Tao and Zen. Sometime 'non-action' means killing someone even. Non-action is in relation to the whole of the universe.

For example, if you are standing on a railroad track thinking it is a walking path, and then someone informs you a train is coming .... what you are calling 'non-action' -> standing there -> is actually the action of killing yourself. In normal circumstances, this is karma generation in the universe - an unnatural death caused consciously by oneself. MOVING would have been non-action.

To not act consciously is of course action. So don't mistake the appearance for the truth!!!!

Finally re: Trump -> he is sure to on his deathbed (and probably already has) laughed at himself for the 'sound and fury' of his life.

If you want to do more than 'understand' Tao, Zen, Buddhism ... you have to go beyond the intellect. The heart sutra essentially says "Form is Emptiness, Emptiness is Form." ... but you also have to understand "No Form, No Emptiness" ... then "Form is Form, Emptiness is Emptiness, then pass through the farting rock, where you play the flute that has no holes and THEN you arrive at 'oh, it's like this!' and FINALLY you arrive at 'Oh, this is IT" or "It is only 'it is'' or "I am it" and finally just "____" (which is not emptiness.)

SO! All Tao and Zen cliche is poison. People think they know what it's saying, and they say 'ok yeah well that's kind of cool but it's actually bullshit most of the time' ... and that's only because they looked at a car, saw a tree, and said 'that can't get me anywhere, even though it's nice to look at and maybe sit in.'

Once disease has set in, the disease must be used to undo the disease. That's Trump's path. Trump's 'action' is 'walking through the field of manure to arrive at the edge of the field of manure, and enter the clean forest.' That he is using the manure field so that he has something upon which to walk does not mean that his destination and affection is for manure. Once in the clean forest and fields - YEAH - THEN non-action tends to also appear to be non-action.

123 posted on 08/06/2016 1:14:08 PM PDT by tinyowl (A equals A)
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To: tinyowl
All True conservatives' political path is to reduce the governments' ability to act - - - in all but a very few contexts --- and there's contexts are "where the government is the only entity that realistically can reduce the ability of some other entities to act".

The Constitution itself is a proscription against action, rather than a construction of anything.

If you have to take certain action to do that - reduce the ability of government to act, then that action is non-action. Actually, in true nature, non-action is action, and action is non-action. Also, action is action, no action is no action. Also, there is no action and no non-action.

So what's the truth?

The Diamond Sutra says of enlightenment: "No Attainment, Nothing to Attain"

So ... having clarified, just consider this: The descriptions of the evil party - 'progressive' and 'community activist' .... you don't need to look much further to see what that Tao passage pointed to ... in this case ... on the surface. It's all very subtle - Zen and Tao - until something clicks ... then it's the most obvious thing in the whole world, it's self apparent. You can ONLY understand it by not doing anything to understand it.

But you have to take things always in relation to the entire universe. If adding something here subtracts something there, then over there, your addition is subtraction.

124 posted on 08/06/2016 1:35:10 PM PDT by tinyowl (A equals A)
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To: poconopundit
Poco - sorry for the lecture, not even really a good lecture.

Zen doesn't lend itself that well to words :-)

125 posted on 08/07/2016 3:28:50 PM PDT by tinyowl (A equals A)
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To: tinyowl

No, no. I got carried away by other threads...

Lao Tse and the Zen Monks are guys who are trying to show the limits of language.

So I get the point about not being too literal. They are pointing at something above “words” — the thing in itself — which is an imponderable anyway.


126 posted on 08/07/2016 7:36:50 PM PDT by poconopundit (When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government. Franklin, Const. Conv.)
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