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How Long Has a Conservative Movement Existed in America?

Posted on 08/04/2016 7:46:01 AM PDT by pinochet

I was reading about how Phyllis Shlafly has attended every Republican Convention since 1952. In 1952, the conservative candidate was Sen. Robert Taft of Ohio, who was a bitter opponent of FDR's big government policies. Shlafly supported him. The establishment candidate was Gen. Eisenhower.

But who was the first prominent American conservative activist? My vote would be for Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), who led a national intellectual movement opposed to Woodrow Wilson's big government policies. He also opposed World War One. Before Wilson came into office in 1913, America did not have an income tax. It was, therefore, not necessary for a conservative movement to exist, because America did not have big government policies.


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To: who_would_fardels_bear

>>>” Nock to Buckley to Russell Kirk “

Yep. On ecomonics Friedman and Sowell.

>>>”to RIP”

Certainly on the down slope in terms of political victories, as is the constitutional republic.


21 posted on 08/04/2016 9:11:55 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: pinochet

The true “Fathers” of the American Conservative movement all signed their name on a pledge in 1776. They pledged their lives, fortunes and honor in defiance of their own tyrannical, over-reaching government!


22 posted on 08/04/2016 9:18:26 AM PDT by CSM (White wine sipping, caviar munching, Georgetown cocktail circuit circulating, Perrier conservative.)
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To: pinochet
A problem with using the term "conservative" over these past few decades is that such a words implies many things, and those who have claimed it have left its definition vulnerable to those who use the tool of semantics to redefine whatever they wish to destroy.

If, by "conservative," one means to imply they favor preserving the ideas and principles underlying the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, that is one thing. Obviously, all who have claimed the mantle have not adhered to that goal.

One early warning from an elected State Legislator about what he saw as threats to the founding ideas, and then-current efforts by academics who self-described as "liberals" is available for reading at the Library of Congress.

A partial recap of the cautions and warnings of a Black Ohio State Legislator and A.M.E. Bishop who, in the Year 1876 was invited to deliver the Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon in celebration of the 100th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence in Urbana, Ohio.

Perhaps Dr. Benjamin W. Arnett may be one of the first "conservative" leaders. The Sermon can be read at "Library of Congress - Historical Collections" - "African-American Pamphlets from the Daniel A. P. Murray Collection," 1820-1920; American Memory, Library of Congress - Washington, DC. The following is an excerpt from that historical document follows:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

"Now we must not think that we have nothing to do in this great work, for the men who are at the head of this movement are men of culture and intelligence, and many of them are men of influence. They are led by that thinker and scholar, F. E. Abbott, than whom I know but few men who has a smoother pen, or who is his equal on the battle-field of thought. He says in an address on the duty of his leagues:

"'My answer may be a negative one to all who see nothing positive in the idea of liberty. The conviction I refer to is this: that, regarded as a theological system, Christianity is Superstition, and, regarded as an organized institution, Christianity is Slavery. The purpose I refer to is this: that, whether regarded as theological system, Christianity shall wholly cease to exercise influence in political matters. Although the national Constitution is strictly secular and non-Christian, there are many things in the practical administration of the government which violate its spirit, and constitute a virtual recognition of Christianity as the national religion. These violations are very dangerous; they are on the increase; they more and more give Christianity a practical hold upon the government; they directly tend to strengthen the influence of Christianity over the people, and to fortify it both as a theology and a church; and they are therefore justly viewed with growing indignation by liberals. Not unreasonably are they looked upon as paving the way to a formidable effort to carry the Christian Amendment to the Constitution; and the liberals are beginning to see that they must extinguish the conflagration in its commencement. I believe all this myself, with more intense conviction every day; and therefore I appeal frankly to the people to begin now to lay the foundations of a great National Party of Freedom. It is not a moment too soon. If the liberals are wise, they will see the facts as they are, and act accordingly. Not with hostility, bitterness, defiance, or anger but rather with love to all men and high faith in the beneficence of consistently republican institutions, do I urge them most earnestly to begin the work at once.'

"He acknowledges that this is a religious nation and wants all men to assist him in eliminating the grand old granite principles from the framework of our national union. Will you do it freeman; will we sell the temple reared at the cost of so much precious blood and treasure? These men would have us turn back the hands on the clock of our national progress, and stay the shadow on the dial plate of our christian civilization; they would have us call a retreat to the soldiers in the army of Christ; the banner of the cross they would have us haul down, and reverse the engines of war against sin and crime; the songs of Zion they would turn into discord, and for the harmony and the melody of the sons of God, they would give us general confusion; they would have us chain the forces of virtue and unloose the elements of vice; they would have the nation loose its moorings from the Lord of truth and experience and commit interest, morally, socially; religiously and politically to the unsafe and unreliable human reason; they would discharge God and his crew and run the ship of State by the light of reason, which has always been but a dim taper in the world, and all the foot-prints it has left are marked with the blood of men, women and children. No nation is safe when left alone with reason.

"But we have no notion of giving up the contest without a struggle or a battle. We are aware that there is a great commotion in the world of thought. Religion and science are at arms length contending with all their forces for the mastery. Faith and unbelief are fighting their old battles over again, everything that can be shaken is shaking. The foundations of belief are assaulted by the army of science and men are changing their opinions. New and starting theories are promulgated to the world; old truths are putting on new garbs. Error is dressing in the latest style, wrong is secured by the unholy alliances, changes in men and things, revolution in church and state, Empires are crumbling, Kingdoms tottering; everywhere the change is seen. In the social circle, in the school house, in the pulpit and in the pews. But amid all the changes and revolutions there are some things that are unchangeable, unmovable and enduring. The forces that underline the vital power of Christianity are the same yesterday, to-day, to-morrow and forever more. They are like their God, who is omnipotent, immovable and eternal, and everywhere truth has marched it has left its moccasin tracks.

"The Conclusion of the Whole Matter.

We have patiently tried to examine the record of the nations of antiquity and learn the cause of their decay and decline, their fall, why their early death; and why so many implements of destruction around and about their tombs, and everywhere, in the silent streets, mouldering ruins, tottering columns, mouldy and moist rooms, and the united voice from the sepulcher of the dead past is, "sin is a reproach to any people." We see it written on the tombs of the Kings, and engraven on the pages of time, "sin is a reproach to any people." These are the principles of governments, Right and wrong; and the people who are the advocates of Right have bound themselves together and by their united effort they have brought light out of darkness and forced strength out of weakness.

"We as a nation have a grand and glorious future before us. The sun of our nation is just arising above the horizon and is now sending his golden rays of peace from one end of the land to the other. The utmost extremities of the members of the body politic are warm and in motion by the commercial and financial activities of the land. Her face is destined to blush with beauty when peace and justice shall be enthroned. The grand march of progress shall mark her in her onward advancement in moral strength, intellectual brilliancy, and political power. Then we can say that we give to every man, woman and child the benefit of our free institutions, giving all the benefits of our common school and the freedom to worship God under their own vine and fig tree. Then will we see written, on the banner of our free, redeemed and disenthralled country, the sublime words written, not in the blood of men, but in the sun-light of truth, that "Righteousness exalteth a nation." It will fall like the morning dew on the lowly; it will descend like the showers of May on the poor; and like the sun it will shine on the good and bad, dispensing from the hand of plenty the blessings of a government founded on the principle of justice and equality.

"Standing on the threshold of the second century of the nation's life, with the experience of the past lying at our feet, we are saluted by the shout of triumph from the millions who left their homes and business and attended the Great Exposition of the skill and genius of the world, collected at Philadelphia. We were permitted to receive the greetings from the oldest to the youngest nation of the earth. Egypt and the United States clasped hands over the waste of 5,000 years, and lay their treasures at the feet of our civilization. The material, intellectual and mechanical deterioration of the one, and the unprecedented progress of the other, stand in great contrast; in all that makes the nation great,—morally, religiously and socially, the young nation is ahead.

"Following the tracks of righteousness throughout the centuries and along the way of nations, we are prepared to recommend it to all and assert without a shadow of doubt, that "Righteousness exalted a nation"; but on the other hand following the foot-prints of sin amid the ruins of Empires and remains of cities, we will say that "sin is a reproach to any people." But we call on all American citizens to love their country, and look not on the sins of the past, but arming ourselves for the conflict of the future, girding ourselves in the habiliments of Righteousness, march forth with the courage of a Numidian lion and with the confidence of a Roman Gladiator, and meet the demands of the age, and satisfy the duties of the hour. Let us be encouraged in our work, for we have found the moccasin track of Righteousness all along the shore of the stream of life, constantly advancing, holding humanity with a firm hand. We have seen it “through” all the confusion of rising and falling States, of battle, siege and slaughter, of victory and defeat; through the varying fortunes and ultimate extinctions of Monarchies, Republics and Empires; through barbaric irruption and desolation, feudal isolation, spiritual supremacy, the heroic rush and conflict of the Cross and Crescent; amid the busy hum of industry, through the marts of trade and behind the gliding keels of commerce.”

"And in America, the battle-field of modern thought, we can trace the foot-prints of the one and the tracks of the other. So let us use all of our available forces, and especially our young men, and throw them into the conflict of the Right against the Wrong.

"Then let the grand Centennial Thanksgiving song be heard and sung in every house of God; and in every home may thanksgiving sounds be heard, for our race has been emancipated, enfranchised and are now educating, and have the gospel preached to them!

The following is a special excerpt from an earlier section of Dr. Arnett's Centennial:
"Withdraw from Christendom the Bible, the Church with its sacraments and ministry, and Christian morality and hopes, and aspirations for time and eternity; repeal all the laws that are founded in the Christian Scriptures; remove the Christian humanities in the form of hospitals and asylums, and reformatories and institutions of mercy utterly unknown to unchristian countries; destroy the literature, the culture, the institutions of learning, the art, the refinement, the place of woman in her home and in society, which owe their origin and power to Christianity; blot out all faith in Divine Providence, love, and righteousness; turn back every believer in Christ to his former state; remove all thought or hope of the forgiveness of sins by a just but gracious God; erase the name of Christ from every register it sanctifies—in a word annihilate all the legitimate and logical effects of Christianity in Christendom—just accomplish in fact what multitudes of gifted and learned minds are wishing and trying to accomplish by their science, philosophy, and criticism, and what multitudes of the common people desire and seek, and not only would all progress toward and unto perfection cease, but not one of the shining lights of infidelity would shine much longer. Yes, the bitterest enemies of this holy and blessed religion, owe their ability to be enemies to its sacred revelations - to the inspiration and sublimity of that faith which reflects its glories on their hostile natures. They live in the strength of that which they would destroy. They are raised to their seats of opportunity and power by the grace of Him they would crucify afresh; and is it to be thought that they are stronger than that which gives them strength? Can it be supposed that a religion which civilizes and subdues, and elevates and blesses will succumb to the enmities it may arouse and quicken in its onward march? Are we to tremble for the ark of God when God is its upholder, and protector, and preserver?” - Dr. Benjaming W. Arnett, St. Paul A.M.E. Church, Urbana, Ohio, Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon, November 1876

23 posted on 08/04/2016 9:29:16 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: CSM
They pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor.

Why omit the reference to God?

24 posted on 08/04/2016 10:01:26 AM PDT by itsahoot (Trump kills PC--Hillary kills USA--Pick one.)
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To: pinochet
In my best voice There is a conservative movement in the USA? Who knew? lol
25 posted on 08/04/2016 10:04:41 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Crap. I mixed up the Father with the Son.

I like both Tafts though.


26 posted on 08/04/2016 10:52:18 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: pinochet



Robert A. Taft: A Foreign Policy for Americans, 1952
https://mises.org/system/tdf/A%20Foreign%20Policy%20for%20Americans_2.pdf?file=1&type=document

The Senator From Ohio Substitutes Same Analysis For Expediency

Written in 1951, Taft argued that the freedom of the people of the United States was — as it is now — in serious danger from the foreign and domestic policies of the political class.

From the foreword:

Today we face threats to our liberty and moral foundation from abroad and from our foreign and domestic programs. Distance has been so diminished by the airplane, and weapons have become so destructive, that this threat must be met on a world scale. If we are foolish in our use of our strength, we shall not survive; and with our freedom will disappear the little that remains of freedom in the rest of the world.
27 posted on 08/04/2016 10:59:05 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: loveliberty2

Lord save us from this relentless 12 paragraph long run on sentence signifying what???
+ Principled Conservatism, at its core, is a body of attitudes, behaviors, impulses and sentiments concerning human nature in this world.
+ It is neither ideological, political nor religious in either tone or temperament.
+ Its core Principles include:
*There exists an enduring Moral Order for Man derived from the Natural Law whose truths are enduring and permanent.
*The Family Unit is the bedrock and foundation for the social order of culture and society.
*We are mere dwarves standing on the massive shoulders of the giants of antiquity.
*Man is neither a perfectible creature nor is Paradise possible on this Earth.


28 posted on 08/04/2016 11:04:37 AM PDT by Arrian (Nr Nancy Boys)
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To: Red Badger

Bingo!


29 posted on 08/04/2016 12:41:38 PM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: itsahoot

It was an honest error, I did not have any ill intent.

The reality is that I haven’t posted on FR for a while now and thought that I finally found a thread that was safe, without the chance to be accused of something....

I thought wrong.


30 posted on 08/04/2016 12:48:41 PM PDT by CSM (White wine sipping, caviar munching, Georgetown cocktail circuit circulating, Perrier conservative.)
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To: TTFlyer

True, because the so called conservative “movement” never MOVED anywhere!


31 posted on 08/04/2016 1:00:19 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Iron Munro

Ditto, about the painting


32 posted on 08/04/2016 1:02:05 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: CSM
It was an honest error, I did not have any ill intent.

I didn't either mistakes happen.

33 posted on 08/04/2016 3:14:15 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump kills PC--Hillary kills USA--Pick one.)
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