Posted on 08/02/2016 8:10:21 PM PDT by blueyon
#NeverTrump Republican Tim Huelskamp was defeated Tuesday night in the Kansas primary.
Pro-Trump challenger Roger Marshall is up by 14% with 602 of 1338 precincts reporting.
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I don't agree with your version of the facts so its not worth perusing any further conversation with such a learned person as yourself....
By those numbers...yes, we ARE a Christian nation, though.
Frankly, I never really understood WHY they have such terrible fights anyway.
Best it gets dropped, though.
Huelskamp said “One thing to know about Tim Huelskamp is I have CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES. I have CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES, and I’m going to stand on those CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES. If you don’t have CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES, I will work against you.”
Well Timmy, looks as though you just had your CONSERVATIVE PRINCPLES rammed right up your a$$!
NEXT, Paul Ryan will get his CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES inserted where the sun doesn’t shine next Monday, followed by FELLOW CONSERVATIVE John McStain on the 30th of the month.
These men have made the word CONSERVATIVE a dirty word!
“I didnt think I would despise anyone as much as I hate Barack Obama but Paul Ryan comes close, real close..same with John McCain,...”
Sarah, they are all worse than Obola! We know what he is, but we had no idea who they were until Donald Trump pointed them out to us.
Huelskamp made an unforced error and continually shot himself in the foot as a face for NeverTrump on TV even after the nomination process was concluded.
Perhaps he should have spent less time shrieking about NeverTrump on TV and paid more attention to his campaign.
I am a Trump supporter.
I have not and cannot support McCain on a plethora of issues, and he has been a true RINO.
However, being from Arizona, and knowing who is likely to replace McCain, I believe a McCain loss is more likely to hurt Trump.
Here is why -
If McCain is out, Kilpatrick (D) is likely in.
Kilpatrick is a university academic, political hack, socialist/Marxist, and sovereign global governance candidate. Kilpatrick is both a humanist, and social and economic liberal - period.
As has happened so many times before, this boils down to a “lesser of two evils” race, with McCain.
Ann Kilpatrick would be an absolute nightmare for Arizona, the Senate, and Trump. She is running flat out in opposition to Trump.
America needs conservatism like almost no other time in its history, and we cannot have conservatism being destroyed by the same political ignorance, and social and economic illiteracy as really is dictating]policy on the left today!
While not a Trump supporter, and while hard to understand, Tim Huelskamp was a true economic and social conservative.
Equally as hard to understand, Tim Huelskamp just lost his primary to a more moderate Republican whose money came mostly from the same RNC/GOP-e which has been against Trump, as well as some of the most liberal donor’s on the east coast, who were funding Dr. Marshall!
The GOP-e really was at war with Huelskamp.
Huelskamp’s money came almost entirely from Kansas.
Huelskamp’s takedown was a true GOP-e (establishment) takedown, similar to what happened to LTC Allen West in Florida years ago.
While Tim Huelskamp did not back Trump, if Trump were to put forward the truly conservative legislation America needs right now, Huelskamp would have been much more likely to support this legislation than any moderate or establishment bought Republican.
While I strongly disagree with Huelskamp on Trump, the more liberal/adversarial/GOP-e the congress, the more Trump’s hands will be tied and conservatism compromised or lost!
While it remains to be proven who Dr. Marshall is, as stated above, it was the same GOP-e and various other east coast liberals, which have been and are now giving Trump so much trouble, which essentially funded Dr. Roger Marshall.
America is on the edge of the abyss, morally and economically. Our country truly needs revitalization of the critically essential conservative principles fundamental to our individual freedom, if we are to survive as a free people. We really are on the edge, and it will take more than Trump to stop the horrific moral and economic destruction we are now facing.
However, so does Trump! He needs the most principled conservatives he can get to stop us from committing constitutional and national suicide.
The GOP-e and the Democratic Party are going to unite, as they already have at times, to bring us closer to ruin and sovereign global governance.
They must be stopped, and conservatives and conservatism are the arch enemy!
Even back in May: http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2016/05/virtue-signaling-anti-trump-kansas-congressman-tim-huelskamp-slams-trump-3138532.html
Listen to yourself. Not endorsing Trump but not aiding his enemies or or refusing to take a position (”It’s not up to me, it’s the voters’ choice and I will support the eventual nominee” is one possible variant) isn’t a problem. He could have done either. Instead he did neither and went NeverTrump. Big mistake.
Yeah, actually, he did vote for Ryan.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/29/rep-tim-huelskamp-votes-paul-ryan-house-speaker/
He may have been a solid conservative, but he showed abysmal judgement not just on one day but for weeks on end. He deserved his loss. Perhaps he can think about why the voters rejected him and run again later.
Huelskamp went on tv and trashed Trump. He was very public about it. He spoke strongly—some have said nastily—against Trump multiple times.
Undeniably his words and anti-Trump passion encouraged the neverTrump crowd. They went to the convention intent on inflicting maximum damage on Trump—and this they did.
After Trump—despite the truly ugly and undeniably Hillary-helping efforts of the neverTrumps—secured the nomination, Huelskamp did not come out with a public endorsement. He wasn’t camera-shy when he was trashing Trump, but he eschewed the spotlight after Trump won despite him. The damage his anti-Trump campaign had done was not counteracted—certainly not by that feeble, low-profile quote that Cruz-supporters have made so much of.
You can reject the net result of Huelskamp’s actions and rhetoric all day long. Who cares? The bottom line is that he did everything he could to hurt Trump—which helped Hillary—and squat to help Trump. Looks like the voters didn’t appreciate it.
I think it’s a bit more that just that, actually. Remember, the NeverTrump movement has categorized people who would vote for Trump almost exactly as the Democrats do - as racist, mouthbreathing bigoted morons.
For some reason, people don’t appreciate being called that. Especially by political figures who’ve provided no actual proof that they’re any better. Apparently enough people got tired of being told they were morons by the local NeverTrump figurehead (Huelskamp) that they did something about it at their first possible opportunity.
If you mean to say America was not established as some kind of church, you would be absolutely correct. However, if you mean America was not established for, and dependent on “Christianity” and the derivative morality its free society was dependent on, you would be historically wrong.
The following are block quotes. But for the purpose of this discussion, I will take the chance.
While this will likely be hard to understand, and while none of the “founders” of the Unites States were without faults, nearly every “signer” of both the Declaration of Independence, and our original US Constitution has given record of faith in God, and Jesus Christ. This includes Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.
There are real unabridged books literally full of proof.
John Adams
Signer of the Declaration Of Independence; Judge; Diplomat; Signer of the The Bill Of Rights; Second President of the United Staes
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.1
[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.)
[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)
The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If “Thou shalt not covet,” and “Thou shalt not steal,” were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. VI, p. 9.)
John Quincy Adams
Sixth President of the United States
The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes . . . of universal application-laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.
(Source: John Quincy Adams, Letters of John Quincy Adams, to His Son, on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), p. 61.)
There are three points of doctrine the belief of which forms the foundation of all morality. The first is the existence of God; the second is the immortality of the human soul; and the third is a future state of rewards and punishments. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith and that man will have no conscience, he will have no other law than that of the tiger or the shark. The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy.
(Source: John Quincy Adams, Letters of John Quincy Adams to His Son on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), pp. 22-23.)
Fisher Ames
Framer of the First Amendment
Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits . . . it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers.
(Source: Fisher Ames, An Oration on the Sublime Virtues of General George Washington (Boston: Young & Minns, 1800), p. 23.)
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.
(Source: Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.)
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence
[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
(Source: Benjamin Franklin, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore and Mason, 1840), Vol. X, p. 297, April 17, 1787. )
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.
(Source: James Madison, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, Max Farrand, editor (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1911), Vol. I, pp. 450-452, June 28, 1787.)
Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), p. 8.)
We profess to be republicans, and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government, that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by the means of the Bible. For this Divine Book, above all others, favors that equality among mankind, that respect for just laws, and those sober and frugal virtues, which constitute the soul of republicanism.
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Printed by Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), pp. 93-94.)
By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects. . . . It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published. . . . All systems of religion, morals, and government not founded upon it [the Bible] must perish, and how consoling the thought, it will not only survive the wreck of these systems but the world itself. “The Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” [Matthew 1:18]
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Letters of Benjamin Rush, L. H. Butterfield, editor (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1951), p. 936, to John Adams, January 23, 1807.)
Remember that national crimes require national punishments, and without declaring what punishment awaits this evil, you may venture to assure them that it cannot pass with impunity, unless God shall cease to be just or merciful.
(Source: Benjamin Rush, An Address to the Inhabitants of the British Settlements in America Upon Slave-Keeping (Boston: John Boyles, 1773), p. 30.)
George Washington
“Father of Our Country”
While just government protects all in their religious rights, true religion affords to government its surest support.
(Source: George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), Vol. XXX, p. 432 n., from his address to the Synod of the Dutch Reformed Church in North America, October 9, 1789.)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?
And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
(Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)
[T]he [federal] government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, and oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any other despotic or oppressive form so long as there shall remain any virtue in the body of the people.
(Source: George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington: U. S. Government Printing Office, 1939), Vol. XXIX, p. 410. In a letter to Marquis De Lafayette, February 7, 1788.)
Thomas Jefferson
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.63
The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.64
I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.65
I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.66
http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=63
http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=8755
I must have had the county confused with the district.
I didn’t know anything about his guy until this thread. I looked up this Huelskamp, and it actually seems like he was a solid conservative minus his opposition to Trump. You are right about Boehner, though. This reporter received this picture of Boehner celebrating:
https://twitter.com/hillhulse/status/760668631923499008
I doubt that has a damn thing to do with why he lost no matter what some stupid blog says. Normal voters are not so fixated on perceived slights to Donald Trump like some freepers are. News articles on the race don’t even mention this silliness.
Rather big money and GOPE lies won out. Sad.
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